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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Apr 13 9.38pm

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Chris, how many people went to their death in the South Atlantic and particularly on the Belgrano? She stuck herself in a pseudo tank to celebrate and they were in their early years. 87 is a good innings, she didn't allow that to her victims. How does it feel to be the Mother of a 1000 dead?


We were at war.

We are in a class war at the moment. The worst off are being facked over by the bullingdon boys.

 

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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 13 Apr 13 9.41pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 13 Apr 2013 9.38pm

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Chris, how many people went to their death in the South Atlantic and particularly on the Belgrano? She stuck herself in a pseudo tank to celebrate and they were in their early years. 87 is a good innings, she didn't allow that to her victims. How does it feel to be the Mother of a 1000 dead?


We were at war.

We are in a class war at the moment. The worst off are being facked over by the bullingdon boys.


This from the Chislehurst Derek Hatton...

 


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SloveniaDave Flag Tirana, Albania 13 Apr 13 9.42pm Send a Private Message to SloveniaDave Add SloveniaDave as a friend

Quote newickeagle at 13 Apr 2013 9.33pm

Chris, how many people went to their death in the South Atlantic and particularly on the Belgrano? She stuck herself in a pseudo tank to celebrate and they were in their early years. 87 is a good innings, she didn't allow that to her victims. How does it feel to be the Mother of a 1000 dead?


tragic, of course but there is no blame for the Argentinian deaths at all - that was their choice. As for the British casualties, was freedom a price worth paying? Without doubt.

 


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newickeagle Flag Newick, E Sussex 13 Apr 13 9.42pm Send a Private Message to newickeagle Add newickeagle as a friend

Her government was negotiating handing over those islands before she hit the red button. That ship was sailing away from the islands when she ordered its sinking, I believe 300 conscripts were killed. I have no sympathy for her in death though I would not dance on anyone's grave a la Elvis Costello but understand the sentiments.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Apr 13 9.45pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Personally I don't think it's fair to blame Thatcher for the 2008 crash and what happened afterwards.

Not just because it happened four governments after hers but because Thatcherism was not a 'bail-out' philosophy.....Everything she believed in was went against 'too big to fail'. Thatcher was all about Hayek not Keynes and action since 2008 has had Keynes written all over it....Who knows what Thatcher would have done.

Brown completely changed around the regulation in the city.....How can we blame Thatcher for how the city was regulated nearly twenty years on? The American system was to blame in reality...And Brown to be fair kept us out of the Euro....Spain has 28 percent, youth unemployment to our 7 but it has hardly any financial sector...Who is really in a worst situation? We are not in the Euro....Anything we suffer will be less than those (except Germany) who are in....That's why they are trying to damage our financial sector.

Sure I do blame her for social housing and care in the community....They were mistakes she made......But she gets blamed for everything it seems. The railway privatization for example, she didn't do it or back it yet it's often used as a weapon against her.

It would be great if we had another realistic industry to build up other than financial services.....But we don't and I'll be buggered if I'll support EU plans to destroy it and drive down our standard of living even further....Fat cats or not....It's ours to regulate.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2013 10.19pm)

 


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SloveniaDave Flag Tirana, Albania 13 Apr 13 9.47pm Send a Private Message to SloveniaDave Add SloveniaDave as a friend

Quote newickeagle at 13 Apr 2013 9.42pm

Her government was negotiating handing over those islands before she hit the red button. That ship was sailing away from the islands when she ordered its sinking, I believe 300 conscripts were killed. I have no sympathy for her in death though I would not dance on anyone's grave a la Elvis Costello but understand the sentiments.


There were no negotitations whatsoever by the Government about any handover - they were may years before. The nonsense of the Belgrano has been resolved beyond any doubt. It was part of an offensive manoevre and it was perfectly within the rules of engagement to sink it. No serious commentator now disputes that.

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 13 Apr 13 9.51pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Quote newickeagle at 13 Apr 2013 9.42pm

Her government was negotiating handing over those islands before she hit the red button. That ship was sailing away from the islands when she ordered its sinking, I believe 300 conscripts were killed. I have no sympathy for her in death though I would not dance on anyone's grave a la Elvis Costello but understand the sentiments.


Whether I agree with you or not, I'm always happy to debate the politics. What I can't stand is the absolute lack of any moral compass that drives people to think it's fun to celebrate someones death.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 Apr 13 9.51pm

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Chris, how many people went to their death in the South Atlantic and particularly on the Belgrano? She stuck herself in a pseudo tank to celebrate and they were in their early years. 87 is a good innings, she didn't allow that to her victims. How does it feel to be the Mother of a 1000 dead?


tragic, of course but there is no blame for the Argentinian deaths at all - that was their choice. As for the British casualties, was freedom a price worth paying? Without doubt.

Some have said that it was because of the sinking of the Belgrano that HMS Sheffield was sunk.

As an aside a conspiracy theory for you all to enjoy...

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However, it was not Thatcher’s decision to sink the General Belgrano. For as with all politicians the same dark players were in the background pulling strings to shape what we now know as history.
According to his security file ex French President Georges Pompidou was employed by the Rothchilds from 1953, he later went on to become the head of France in the late sixties but was known first and foremost as a Rothschild man. Similarly Rothschild appointed Margaret Thatcher as British prime Minister, as the Rothschilds wanted a quisling in place to oversee the transfer of large sums invested in Britain for reinvestment to India and the Far East.
Of the 20 positions in Thatcher’s cabinet Jews held the five most important positions, with Lord Victor Rothschild as security advisor.
So serious was this seen in MI6 that a Foreign Office memo was sent to Thatcher saying she must be seen as “even handed and not totally pro Jew”. Lord Victor Rothschild oversaw all domestic and foreign intelligence, and it has been said that it was his decision to sink the General Belgrano and Thatcher simply did as she was told. Remember Rothchild had investments in the mining of minerals in the Falklands region and he was not going to let those investments be shared with Argentina
The British nuclear submarine the Conqueror on May 2 1982 sunk the General Belgrano with the loss of 323 lives, just when Peru was co-hosting a peace initiative between the 2 countries. Thatcher told her cabinet that the Argentine battleship was a danger to British forces, although contemporary intelligence suggests that the sinking was intended to sabotage Peruvian peace plans and prevent the region’s mineral wealth being shared with Argentina.
Also on the advice of Rothschild’s ‘advisors’ Sir Keith Joseph and Milton Friedman, Thatcher began shutting down large sectors of British industry in the name of efficiency. Jobs in coal mining, shipbuilding, motorcar and motorcycle manufacturing, steel and much heavy industry were all brought under threat. While a crippling VAT tax on small businesses forced many to close virtually overnight.
This was called the Open Market economy and it ultimately led to the export of many hard won British jobs as Rothschild reinvested huge sums in industries in the Far East.
Nonetheless, in the Falklands campaign the U.S. refused to loan Britain the early warning AWACS aircraft, which would have saved its ships as telephone intercepts reveal the then ambassador to the UN, Jeanne Kilpatrick wanted Britain to negotiate with Argentina in a share of the Falklands. So India and particularly New Zealand took up the slack and forwarded radio signals to their former colonial overlords.
The USA saw both Argentina and Britain as allies and refused to take sides. For her part, Thatcher was said to have been furious with U.S. ambivalence and when she allowed the bombing of Libya to take place from U.S. air bases in Britain it was on the proviso that President Reagan stopped funds collected in the USA from reaching the IRA.
The Americans broke this agreement soon after, in November 1982
So you can bet all freedom of Information requests on the Falklands war will be redacted and vetted before anything is released in 2013 and contain nothing of significance.


 

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newickeagle Flag Newick, E Sussex 13 Apr 13 9.53pm Send a Private Message to newickeagle Add newickeagle as a friend

Srirling, agreed, Major hung in there long enough to make the railways worse than they were.

BUT, she privatised all the utility companies who rip us off now. And big time if you run a business. She had the North Sea revenue and invested none of these huge receipts on the infrastructure. Her tax cutting has not improved our economy or arrested our national decline. IMO!!

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Apr 13 9.58pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote newickeagle at 13 Apr 2013 9.42pm

Her government was negotiating handing over those islands before she hit the red button. That ship was sailing away from the islands when she ordered its sinking, I believe 300 conscripts were killed. I have no sympathy for her in death though I would not dance on anyone's grave a la Elvis Costello but understand the sentiments.


This has been researched.

It's not fair to say they were negotiating handing over the islands as though that was a decision that had been taken or was going to happen.

Diplomats have discussions...The foreign office is the home of the diplomat...That's what they do. It doesn't mean that's policy. Britain rejected the idea....Argentina ended up invading.

The ship was sunk because....ITS A BLOODY WAR not a frigging dance. You give no quarter and get none. It had been in and out of the exclusion zone....The fault for those deaths was the fault of their commanders for putting them at risk.

I can safety say that the vast majority of the country thinks little of your perspective on this.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Apr 2013 9.59pm)

 


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newickeagle Flag Newick, E Sussex 13 Apr 13 10.08pm Send a Private Message to newickeagle Add newickeagle as a friend

Stirling, they were and I appreciate I have a minority view on the Falklands. Gusset, I shall sober up and read your piece in the morning. Keith Joseph, loathsome cvnt, even gets a mention in Beasley Street. Listen, sums up Thatcherism.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 13 Apr 13 10.09pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Quote newickeagle at 13 Apr 2013 9.53pm

Srirling, agreed, Major hung in there long enough to make the railways worse than they were.

BUT, she privatised all the utility companies who rip us off now. And big time if you run a business. She had the North Sea revenue and invested none of these huge receipts on the infrastructure. Her tax cutting has not improved our economy or arrested our national decline. IMO!!


I'm not sure where I stand on the utility privatisations to be honest.....The railways were a disasterous idea, in fact bringing in the profit motive in areas of safety just isn't a good idea period.....Anyone who's seen programmes about the early airplane industry would know that.

 


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