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Rubin 07 Dec 17 11.23pm | |
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A few years old, but still important. With chilling candour, a paper from a senior government official laid out the difficulties that Britain would face in the proposed Common Market. All across Europe, from riots in Greece to those protest votes for Marine Le Pen and George Galloway, we see signs of how alienated people now feel from the “political class” which rules over our lives, out of touch with the rest of us, without meaningful opposition, no longer responsive to any democratic control. I am reminded of a document I discovered in the National Archives at Kew in January 2002, when sifting through papers released under the 30-year rule relating to Britain’s negotiations to join the Common Market. It was a confidential 1971 memorandum, clearly written by a senior Foreign Office official, headed “Sovereignty and the Community”. With chilling candour, this paper (from FCO folder 30/104 predicted that it would take 30 years for the British people to wake up to the real nature of the European project that Edward Heath was about to take them into, by which time it would be too late for them to leave. Its author made clear that the Community was headed for economic, monetary and fiscal union, with a common foreign and defence policy, which would constitute the greatest surrender of Britain’s national sovereignty in history. Since “Community law” would take precedence over our own, ever more power would pass to this new bureaucratic system centred in Brussels – and, as the role of Parliament diminished, this would lead to a “popular feeling of alienation from government”.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Dec 17 11.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Rubin
A few years old, but still important. With chilling candour, a paper from a senior government official laid out the difficulties that Britain would face in the proposed Common Market. All across Europe, from riots in Greece to those protest votes for Marine Le Pen and George Galloway, we see signs of how alienated people now feel from the “political class” which rules over our lives, out of touch with the rest of us, without meaningful opposition, no longer responsive to any democratic control. I am reminded of a document I discovered in the National Archives at Kew in January 2002, when sifting through papers released under the 30-year rule relating to Britain’s negotiations to join the Common Market. It was a confidential 1971 memorandum, clearly written by a senior Foreign Office official, headed “Sovereignty and the Community”. With chilling candour, this paper (from FCO folder 30/104 predicted that it would take 30 years for the British people to wake up to the real nature of the European project that Edward Heath was about to take them into, by which time it would be too late for them to leave. Its author made clear that the Community was headed for economic, monetary and fiscal union, with a common foreign and defence policy, which would constitute the greatest surrender of Britain’s national sovereignty in history. Since “Community law” would take precedence over our own, ever more power would pass to this new bureaucratic system centred in Brussels – and, as the role of Parliament diminished, this would lead to a “popular feeling of alienation from government”. They won in the 70's referendum. get over it.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Dec 17 12.16am | |
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Worth watching just for the line, 'Rees Mogg will shot his pants and his nanny will have to change his nappy.' [Tweet Link]
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DanH SW2 08 Dec 17 10.53am | |
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Deal announced this morning seems very sensible.
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Kermit8 Hevon 08 Dec 17 11.06am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Deal announced this morning seems very sensible. Indeed. Which by that very definition means the Hard Brexiteers won't like it. "There will be no "hard border" with Ireland and EU citizens in the UK, and UK citizens in the EU, will see their rights protected. Edited by Kermit8 (08 Dec 2017 11.06am)
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steeleye20 Croydon 08 Dec 17 11.11am | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Deal announced this morning seems very sensible.
Looks like we are becoming closer to the EU as a result of brexit.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 08 Dec 17 11.27am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Looks like we are becoming closer to the EU as a result of brexit.
I'm glad we can move on to Stage 2 talks, but worried still that we've got the D team representing our interests.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Dec 17 11.43am | |
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It's bloody unfair. A person from Northern Ireland can get an Irish passport and freely travel the EU. I can't. Why should they get preferential treatment by accident of birth.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 08 Dec 17 12.02pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
It's bloody unfair. A person from Northern Ireland can get an Irish passport and freely travel the EU. I can't. Why should they get preferential treatment by accident of birth.
UK have conceded to every single EU requirement in Stage 1 talks. Hasn't been much of a negotiation, just a load of time wasting. DD utterly useless.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Dec 17 1.27pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
UK have conceded to every single EU requirement in Stage 1 talks. Hasn't been much of a negotiation, just a load of time wasting. DD utterly useless. Not many Brexiteers on here rejoicing. We are onto stage 2 which means less chance of a hard Brexit but more chance of Brexit happening. I'd have thought they'd be shouting from the rooftops we are a step closer.
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wordup 08 Dec 17 1.48pm | |
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wordup 08 Dec 17 1.58pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Looks like we are becoming closer to the EU as a result of brexit. Hold on, I'm a bit confused here. So essentially we may still end up in the single market and customs union anyway. What about freedom of movement? People did warn that we'd basically just end up with a worse version of what we already had. The same in all but name, but no real say. Funnily enough it looks like the DUP helped us get there lol. Edited by wordup (08 Dec 2017 1.59pm)
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