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Stirlingsays 06 Dec 17 7.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
So if it were 20% who said they were Irish from the Unionist/Protestant community in 1968, which is a lot more than today, have a stab at how many more thought they were Irish (because they are) 50 or 75 years earlier. S'alright. They are still British in the here and now. The law says they can be. Don't get so uppity. Just reporting historical data to back up my 'numpty' claim
You said one thing ....the reality is another. You wrote, 'nearly all the north of Ireland called themselves Irish 100 years ago, including Protestants and Unionists'. When asked for evidence you give me polling data from 68 showing 20 percent of Unionists. I reckon you are just trying to wind me up.
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Kermit8 Hevon 06 Dec 17 7.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You said one thing ....the reality is another. You wrote, 'nearly all the north of Ireland called themselves Irish 100 years ago, including Protestants and Unionists'. When asked for evidence you give me polling data from 68 showing 20 percent of Unionists. I reckon you are just trying to wind me up. I haven't served the main course yet.
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Stirlingsays 06 Dec 17 8.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I haven't served the main course yet. You eat extremely slowly.
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Kermit8 Hevon 06 Dec 17 8.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You eat extremely slowly. Enjoy. The following is an abridgement of a worthwhile column in Belfast Telegraph, 10 Dec 2008. Bertie Ahern once declared that one of the "saddest developments" in recent decades has been "the reduction in the number of people in the North from a Protestant unionist and loyalist background who regard themselves as Irish, or as both Irish and British". One hundred years ago most unionists in Ireland, north and south, regarded themselves as Irish. Post-1921, we can see the development of a heightened sense of British identity, embracing Ulster, or Northern Ireland, which denied increasingly any sense of Irishness. At the same time, the new Irish Free State experienced the growth of its own heightened form of Irish/Gaelic identity. The movement in the northern unionist community away from an Irish identity, however, did not take place overnight and in fact many unionists retained a strong Irish dimension for decades. For example in 1929, in a debate in the Northern Ireland parliament, a unionist MP stated: "We are Irishmen ... I always hold that Ulstermen are Irishmen and the best of Irishmen." The speaker was none other than the unionist leader, Lord Craigavon. In 1936, he would repeat this point: "While we are Ulstermen, we are also Irishmen." When Craigavon died in 1940, John M Andrews, his successor, paid tribute to him as a "great Ulsterman, a great Irishman and a great Imperialist".
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Stirlingsays 06 Dec 17 9.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Enjoy. The following is an abridgement of a worthwhile column in Belfast Telegraph, 10 Dec 2008. Bertie Ahern once declared that one of the "saddest developments" in recent decades has been "the reduction in the number of people in the North from a Protestant unionist and loyalist background who regard themselves as Irish, or as both Irish and British". One hundred years ago most unionists in Ireland, north and south, regarded themselves as Irish. Post-1921, we can see the development of a heightened sense of British identity, embracing Ulster, or Northern Ireland, which denied increasingly any sense of Irishness. At the same time, the new Irish Free State experienced the growth of its own heightened form of Irish/Gaelic identity. The movement in the northern unionist community away from an Irish identity, however, did not take place overnight and in fact many unionists retained a strong Irish dimension for decades. For example in 1929, in a debate in the Northern Ireland parliament, a unionist MP stated: "We are Irishmen ... I always hold that Ulstermen are Irishmen and the best of Irishmen." The speaker was none other than the unionist leader, Lord Craigavon. In 1936, he would repeat this point: "While we are Ulstermen, we are also Irishmen." When Craigavon died in 1940, John M Andrews, his successor, paid tribute to him as a "great Ulsterman, a great Irishman and a great Imperialist". I asked you for any statistical evidence for this.....instead you give me a quote from an Irish politician in 2008! or from one unionists MP eighty odd years ago. Where are your stats to back your claim? If you make a numeric claim with words like, 'majority' then understand someone's going to call you out on your crap. There was never a majority of unionists who considered themselves members of Ireland. The clue is in the word, unionist.
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Kermit8 Hevon 06 Dec 17 11.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I asked you for any statistical evidence for this.....instead you give me a quote from an Irish politician in 2008! or from one unionists MP eighty odd years ago. Where are your stats to back your claim? If you make a numeric claim with words like, 'majority' then understand someone's going to call you out on your crap. There was never a majority of unionists who considered themselves members of Ireland. The clue is in the word, unionist.
There is plenty for you to chew on. You just don't want to recognise the actual truth from the past. Unionists saw themselves as Irish. They had linguistic and cultural affinity with all things Irish. Of course they did. That is until the political sh1te hit with Home Rule talk. You are half-Irish yourself. You should know this stuff already.
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Stirlingsays 06 Dec 17 11.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
There is plenty for you to chew on. You just don't want to recognise the actual truth from the past. Unionists saw themselves as Irish. They had linguistic and cultural affinity with all things Irish. Of course they did. That is until the political sh1te hit with Home Rule talk. You are half-Irish yourself. You should know this stuff already. Don't call me half Irish you wind up. You are a numpty, who can't back up his crap and that's all you have produced here....crap. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Dec 2017 11.57pm)
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Kermit8 Hevon 07 Dec 17 9.56am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Don't call me half Irish you wind up. You are a numpty, who can't back up his crap and that's all you have produced here....crap. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Dec 2017 11.57pm) I repeat from above from the Professor of Irish Studies. "One hundred years ago most unionists in Ireland, north and south, regarded themselves as Irish. Post-1921, we can see the development of a heightened sense of British identity, embracing Ulster, or Northern Ireland, which denied increasingly any sense of Irishness. At the same time, the new Irish Free State experienced the growth of its own heightened form of Irish/Gaelic identity. The movement in the northern unionist community away from an Irish identity, however, did not take place overnight and in fact many unionists retained a strong Irish dimension for decades." You can lead an instransigent horse to water....etc
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 07 Dec 17 12.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I repeat from above from the Professor of Irish Studies. "One hundred years ago most unionists in Ireland, north and south, regarded themselves as Irish. Post-1921, we can see the development of a heightened sense of British identity, embracing Ulster, or Northern Ireland, which denied increasingly any sense of Irishness. At the same time, the new Irish Free State experienced the growth of its own heightened form of Irish/Gaelic identity. The movement in the northern unionist community away from an Irish identity, however, did not take place overnight and in fact many unionists retained a strong Irish dimension for decades." You can lead an instransigent horse to water....etc
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Dec 17 2.34pm | |
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20 years of b.s. about the EU.
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simlaboy coulsdon 07 Dec 17 10.55pm | |
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More Lefty bollocks from our favourite red contributor, honestly, you really need to kick back a bit , go have yourself a free trade coffee and a portion of mung beans ,
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Dec 17 11.03pm | |
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Originally posted by simlaboy
More Lefty bollocks from our favourite red contributor, honestly, you really need to kick back a bit , go have yourself a free trade coffee and a portion of mung beans , A posting of a list of media fuelled bulls*** that many believed to be true will always engender this sort of response from those that believed the b.s.
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