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 steeleye20  Croydon 06 Dec 17 5.51pm |
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Integrity Davis????? Where have you been the last few weeks. Why did he do it - why not just say at the very start that he did not have any impact reports. He lied so much and so long - risking contempt of parliament and worse getting others to cover for him. What reputation he had is gone.
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Kermit8  Hevon 06 Dec 17 6.10pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Don't tell other people their 'ethnicity'. Who the hell do you think you are? If I put you in a room with them and let you tell them that I wouldn't have much hope for your safety. Cheek. You just proved precisely what I said about many lefty remainers. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Dec 2017 3.54pm) er..you probably don't know then that nearly all the north of Ireland called themselves Irish 100 years ago, including Protestants and Unionists, because they were, you know, Irish. As things got more politicised and out of hand through the generations more of them decided to call themselves British. Nothing to do with ethnicity that. It was pragmatic.
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| Stirlingsays 06 Dec 17 6.11pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
er..you probably don't know then that nearly all the north of Ireland called themselves Irish 100 years ago, including Protestants and Unionists, because they were, you know, Irish. As things got more politicised and out of hand through the generations more of them decided to call themselves British. Nothing to do with ethnicity that. It was pragmatic. Where are you getting this from? Link me to the stats.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Dec 17 6.31pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Integrity Davis????? Where have you been the last few weeks. Why did he do it - why not just say at the very start that he did not have any impact reports. He lied so much and so long - risking contempt of parliament and worse getting others to cover for him. What reputation he had is gone. [Tweet Link]
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| Kermit8 Hevon 06 Dec 17 6.35pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Where are you getting this from? Link me to the stats. Historical census records [Link]
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| Stirlingsays 06 Dec 17 6.36pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Historical census records [Link] What Google? You make the claim, you back it up.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 06 Dec 17 6.52pm |
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Hors D'ouevre anyone? "A number of large-scale national surveys of social identity have been conducted in Northern Ireland. Four such studies, conducted between 1968 and 1994, were reviewed by Trew (1996a). Respondents were asked to select from a list of identities (British, Irish, Ulster and Northern Irish) one term which ‘best describes the way you usually think of yourself’. Results showed a consistent pattern of identification for both Catholics and Protestants. The vast majority of Catholics identified themselves as Irish or Northern Irish – only between 10 and 15 per cent chose British as their primary national identification. The proportion of Protestants identifying themselves as Irish has radically declined over the period of the surveys, from 20 per cent in the 1968 survey (Rose, 1971) to only 2 or 3 per cent in the 1990s (Moxon-Browne, 1991; Trew, 1996b), suggesting that identities became more polarised following the onset of political violence in the early 1970s." Edited by Kermit8 (06 Dec 2017 6.53pm)
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| Kermit8 Hevon 06 Dec 17 6.58pm |
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Starter? There's a clue in their name re:ethnicity
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| Stirlingsays 06 Dec 17 7.08pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Hors D'ouevre anyone? "A number of large-scale national surveys of social identity have been conducted in Northern Ireland. Four such studies, conducted between 1968 and 1994, were reviewed by Trew (1996a). Respondents were asked to select from a list of identities (British, Irish, Ulster and Northern Irish) one term which ‘best describes the way you usually think of yourself’. Results showed a consistent pattern of identification for both Catholics and Protestants. The vast majority of Catholics identified themselves as Irish or Northern Irish – only between 10 and 15 per cent chose British as their primary national identification. The proportion of Protestants identifying themselves as Irish has radically declined over the period of the surveys, from 20 per cent in the 1968 survey (Rose, 1971) to only 2 or 3 per cent in the 1990s (Moxon-Browne, 1991; Trew, 1996b), suggesting that identities became more polarised following the onset of political violence in the early 1970s." Edited by Kermit8 (06 Dec 2017 6.53pm) You said most identified as Irish! In 68 for the unionists we are talking about it was at twenty percent! What a numpty! You don't know what you are talking about as usual.
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| Stirlingsays 06 Dec 17 7.12pm |
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For crying out loud. I have family there..my father was a fcuking unionist..you really don't know what you are talking about. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Dec 2017 7.13pm)
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| Kermit8 Hevon 06 Dec 17 7.15pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You said most identified as Irish! In 68 for the unionists we are talking about it was at twenty percent! What a numpty! You don't know what you are talking about as usual. So if it were 20% who said they were Irish from the Unionist/Protestant community in 1968, which is a lot more than today, have a stab at how many more thought they were Irish (because they are) 50 or 75 years earlier. S'alright. They are still British in the here and now. The law says they can be. Don't get so uppity. Just reporting historical data to back up my 'numpty' claim
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| Kermit8 Hevon 06 Dec 17 7.16pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
For crying out loud. I have family there..my father was a fcuking unionist..you really don't know what you are talking about. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Dec 2017 7.13pm) Yes, and the original Unionists saw themselves as Irish. What's the big deal?
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