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Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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 Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 03 Mar 22 5.03am |
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Some good points made very well in this thread. It reminded me of my mechanical engineering training in the 1980's, where basic concepts were introduced. "Everything is a compromise. There can be no absolute solution that satisfies all criteria" True, as much for engineering, as politics.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 03 Mar 22 6.28am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What's foolish is to imagine that you won't treat even this most serious of subjects seriously, but will still resort to silly personal insults. Is nothing beneath you? I haven't suggested that people shouldn't think whatever they like. What I am suggesting is they show self-restraint and avoid posting anything that could provide succour to an enemy, in the same way Tucker Carlson has. Whilst comments on the Hol are extremely unlikely to find their way into Russia there is a principal at stake which needs, in my view, to be adopted by us all. No, you are not. As usual you are spouting opinions as if they are facts, if you are insulted by that then feel free to be so. The WE world you live in bears little resemblance to reality. Is nothing beneath me ? Don't tempt me....... Your hubris and lack of self awareness is clearly not going to change. I cannot be bothered to spend any more time stating the obvious. Enjoy living in WE world COYP Edited by HKOwen (03 Mar 2022 10.54am)
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chris123  hove actually 03 Mar 22 7.27am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Just watched John Simpson on BBC2 talking to a number of the BBC correspondents. A number of interesting ideas that I hadn't heard before. Both regard who could broker a settlement. First was China, who have begun to put some distance between themselves and Putin. They have the muscle to influence him. Second is Finland who have been under Russian occupation in the past and ceded territory in a settlement. Get Mrs Merkel back in for a last hurrah.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 03 Mar 22 8.02am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What's foolish is to imagine that you won't treat even this most serious of subjects seriously, but will still resort to silly personal insults. Is nothing beneath you? I haven't suggested that people shouldn't think whatever they like. What I am suggesting is they show self-restraint and avoid posting anything that could provide succour to an enemy, in the same way Tucker Carlson has. Whilst comments on the Hol are extremely unlikely to find their way into Russia there is a principal at stake which needs, in my view, to be adopted by us all. Agreed and that principle is free speech we abandon that to our peril.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 03 Mar 22 10.56am |
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Originally posted by chris123
Get Mrs Merkel back in for a last hurrah. Friend of Putin, speaks Russian, what's not to like.
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| Spiderman Horsham 03 Mar 22 11.06am |
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A bit of light relief ( so to speak!)
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Attachment: | Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 22 11.53am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The problem with relying upon quote picking as a definite commentary is that it's pretty poor without context. As I stated Hitler at some time calls himself a socialist and at a later point feels uncomfortable with it....Personally I think he was for what worked to get him his aims. I can quote both Cameron and Merkel both saying multiculturalism had failed....but what were their actions. Obama and Clinton were against gay marriage and can be quoted as such. What is important is what they actually did...Commitment to a concept can be purely related to how popular it is viewed......quote picking doesn't work over proper analysis of what actually happened. People lie....people say what they think their peers want to here. Actions lie far less. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Mar 2022 12.55am) They do. Look at Hitler's. He was not socialist in anything he did. Now look at Putin's. His are very much aligned with fascist principals too.
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| eaglesdare 03 Mar 22 11.57am |
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You can question the official narrative on the war, & not support Putin. I don't like NATO, the EU or Russia. Only people who deserve sympathy are ordinary Ukrainians.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 03 Mar 22 12.02pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
You can question the official narrative on the war, & not support Putin. I don't like NATO, the EU or Russia. Only people who deserve sympathy are ordinary Ukrainians. I thoroughly agree. Like any conflict or war it very much seems to be orchestrated by those in suits, drinking and eating posh nosh and booze, staring at a chessboard whilst your salt of the earth working peoples are forced to leave their homes, bombed and murdered either fighting against and even for the whims of a very small minority.
Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!! |
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| Stirlingsays 03 Mar 22 12.03pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They do. Look at Hitler's. He was not socialist in anything he did. Now look at Putin's. His are very much aligned with fascist principals too. Yeah, not socialist at all. I mean expanding pensions, daycare centres and free national healthcare in the early thirties when he took over wasn't socialist for its time in any shape or fashion. As for Putin, he's essentially a KGB man....calling him a fascist is just weird. He's an authoritarian....an Autocrat, he's also jailed nationalists so, none of this fits well.
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| Stirlingsays 03 Mar 22 12.07pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
You can question the official narrative on the war, & not support Putin. I don't like NATO, the EU or Russia. Only people who deserve sympathy are ordinary Ukrainians. Seconded. The media are a complete joke. However, the one thing they get right is on the focus upon the innocent.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Mar 22 12.07pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Agreed and that principle is free speech we abandon that to our peril. Free speech is a precious right that we must always protect, but alongside any right is a matching responsibility. Complete freedom in a democracy is a myth. As soon as people decide to act together in their mutual interests we have laws that restrict freedoms. That applies to speech just as much as it does to anything else. Especially at the time of war we need to act responsibly and show self-restraint. Some aren't doing that and are making statements that can be used by an enemy. You can think whatever you like, and express it in private, in your own space, but in spaces occupied by others in a democracy you are bound by laws.
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