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Stirlingsays Flag 25 Jun 19 12.55am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

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Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Are people still talking about this jumped up little prick?

You just did.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Jun 19 4.11am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

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Originally posted by W12

That's exactly the attitude that led to this going on for so long without redress. Don't you think for example that once this had been identified in more than one town on a large scale that we would (1) had had a full scale public inquiry (2) started to actively look at other towns as at that point it would have been fairly obvious where to look and (3) Mobilize to put *huge* resources in place to help the 1000's of victims. I don't believe any of those things happened even now because it directly challenged the politically correct narrative that all cultures are equal, all minorities are oppressed and mass immigration can *only* be a good thing.

We had 44 more people confirmed as charged on Friday and all the headlines are about Boris Johnson having a minor row with his wife. It's a sick society.

If a certain identifiable group of people are massively over represented in committing particular crimes then you need to look at *why* rather then treating them all as just "criminals". Otherwise you are simply ignoring evidence and make it far more likely that more children are abused as you cannot begin to address the problem. It's nothing short of a national disaster that a whole generation of children were abused en mass.

Nobody suggested tainting the innocent by the way. I don't know where you got that from.

I suspect all the above is wasted on you though as you are like many indoctrinated into ignoring facts whether by parents, schooling or the mainstream media (probably all of those).

I totally disagree. I think that the attitude you display here contributes to making the problem worse and nothing at all towards finding a solution.

I don't think anyone wishes to diminish the seriousness of this or any other crime involving the systematic targeting of the vulnerable, whether they be children or adults.

What I believe to be unhelpful is to introduce things that are not relevant to the crime. So the question is whether being either of Asian heritage or believing in Islam is relevant? Are all Asians rapists? Does Islam command child molesting? Or are we dealing with a sub section of criminals from those communities?

You wouldn't condemn all Catholics because of the activities of some priests would you? You would describe the criminals as "Catholic Priests". So why is Islam targeted in these cases, as it appears to be by "Robinson" and his apologists? More careful language is needed to ensure a whole community is not tainted.

There are some pretty wild claims being made about the scale of the problem which are being repeated as if they are fact. The idea that a "whole generation" of children has been abused is just obvious nonsense. The truth is we don't know. What we do know are that people are being arrested and charged, so the police are actively doing their job.

Parents, schools and social workers who suspect things will be reporting them, as I am sure they would have in the past. It's easy to assume that nothing then happens but this is a much more complicated area than some seem to think. Not every parent is responsible. Not every child is an innocent little angel. Don't misunderstand me. I am not defending criminals. I am defending those investigating.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 25 Jun 19 4.23am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

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Originally posted by cryrst

So if one of yours was bashed or beaten by a gang you wouldn't want the police to highlight if they were white black or Asian gang to help catch them.
I would want the right people caught and to do that you need to isolate and minimise the potential for a waste of police time.
Jesus mate stay off the skunk!

That's just silly!

What the Police elicit from victims to help them in their enquiries doesn't get plastered all over the media or on FB. It stays with them but might be used in Court.

 


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Maine Eagle Flag USA 25 Jun 19 4.39am Send a Private Message to Maine Eagle Add Maine Eagle as a friend

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's just silly!

What the Police elicit from victims to help them in their enquiries doesn't get plastered all over the media or on FB. It stays with them but might be used in Court.

Do people from Wisbech just not bother sleeping at night?

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 25 Jun 19 10.25am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


While I'm fine with your calling 'Robinson' whatever name you like....it's a fundamental right I agree with.....However, all this obsession on the left with 'Yaxley' or 'Harris' is a bit oddly amusing to me.

It's the left...which despite your dislike of labelling I don't think you'd deny to roughly support.

It's the left who obsess over allowing people identities and all that assorted warm worded crap...It's from that side that we get this obsession with calling people whatever stupid names and pronouns they want to call themselves.....Yet when it's someone they don't like all of a sudden this goes out the window .....and it's the identity they choose for the person.

It does make me smile.

I mean.....if you were to reply to a post about Elton John, would you instead call him 'Reginald Kenneth Dwight'? Or 'Maurice Joseph Micklewhite' for Michael Caine.

If it's the 'Robinson's a criminal' thing.....Is this how you'd treat all people who have convictions then? Because for me, I think you guys make a special case for him.

The way Robinson gets treated by your lot is absurdly over the top.

The following doesn't relate to you but I think the left have some serious ideological problems with their relationship towards white males, especially from the working class.......We see it from the 'gammon' description to 'white van man' and that decades old disdain for patriotism which Orwell was talking about.....which a good number of them view as an insidious nationalism.


Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jun 2019 12.55am)

Yaxley himself explains why he created 'Tommy Robinson', stealing the name of the scariest person he knew. It is a persona. His wife hates it according to Stephen. He uses a variety of personae to do what he wants to do. Sometimes he gets caught out, for example entering the US on a friend's passport and committing mortgage fraud.

I am sure you are aware of the effects of masks and how seriously they are taken e.g. in the theatre. I just choose to unmask him. I think this is very important in the age of false news.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 25 Jun 19 10.39am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Yaxley himself explains why he created 'Tommy Robinson', stealing the name of the scariest person he knew. It is a persona. His wife hates it according to Stephen. He uses a variety of personae to do what he wants to do. Sometimes he gets caught out, for example entering the US on a friend's passport and committing mortgage fraud.

I am sure you are aware of the effects of masks and how seriously they are taken e.g. in the theatre. I just choose to unmask him. I think this is very important in the age of false news.

Fair enough. Do you do the same for transgender people?

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 25 Jun 19 10.40am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I totally disagree. I think that the attitude you display here contributes to making the problem worse and nothing at all towards finding a solution.

I don't think anyone wishes to diminish the seriousness of this or any other crime involving the systematic targeting of the vulnerable, whether they be children or adults.

What I believe to be unhelpful is to introduce things that are not relevant to the crime. So the question is whether being either of Asian heritage or believing in Islam is relevant? Are all Asians rapists? Does Islam command child molesting? Or are we dealing with a sub section of criminals from those communities?

You wouldn't condemn all Catholics because of the activities of some priests would you? You would describe the criminals as "Catholic Priests". So why is Islam targeted in these cases, as it appears to be by "Robinson" and his apologists? More careful language is needed to ensure a whole community is not tainted.

There are some pretty wild claims being made about the scale of the problem which are being repeated as if they are fact. The idea that a "whole generation" of children has been abused is just obvious nonsense. The truth is we don't know. What we do know are that people are being arrested and charged, so the police are actively doing their job.

Parents, schools and social workers who suspect things will be reporting them, as I am sure they would have in the past. It's easy to assume that nothing then happens but this is a much more complicated area than some seem to think. Not every parent is responsible. Not every child is an innocent little angel. Don't misunderstand me. I am not defending criminals. I am defending those investigating.

The difference is that criticism of one religion isn’t defined as a phobia or a hate crime.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 25 Jun 19 10.43am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Yaxley himself explains why he created 'Tommy Robinson', stealing the name of the scariest person he knew. It is a persona. His wife hates it according to Stephen. He uses a variety of personae to do what he wants to do. Sometimes he gets caught out, for example entering the US on a friend's passport and committing mortgage fraud.

I am sure you are aware of the effects of masks and how seriously they are taken e.g. in the theatre. I just choose to unmask him. I think this is very important in the age of false news.

I've never heard him explain it like that.

Where did you get that from?

What I've heard from Robinson himself the name was originally to do with hiding his identity due to death threats.

Now it's the persona obviously. He represents a pushback that isn't being fronted by anyone else.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 25 Jun 19 10.46am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Yaxley himself explains why he created 'Tommy Robinson', stealing the name of the scariest person he knew. It is a persona. His wife hates it according to Stephen. He uses a variety of personae to do what he wants to do. Sometimes he gets caught out, for example entering the US on a friend's passport and committing mortgage fraud.

I am sure you are aware of the effects of masks and how seriously they are taken e.g. in the theatre. I just choose to unmask him. I think this is very important in the age of false news.

You just choose to ignore my points.

There are double standards at work here.

You haven't unmasked anything, he has never denied that Robinson isn't his real name.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jun 2019 10.48am)

 


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W12 25 Jun 19 11.11am

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I totally disagree. I think that the attitude you display here contributes to making the problem worse and nothing at all towards finding a solution.

I don't think anyone wishes to diminish the seriousness of this or any other crime involving the systematic targeting of the vulnerable, whether they be children or adults.

What I believe to be unhelpful is to introduce things that are not relevant to the crime. So the question is whether being either of Asian heritage or believing in Islam is relevant? Are all Asians rapists? Does Islam command child molesting? Or are we dealing with a sub section of criminals from those communities?

You wouldn't condemn all Catholics because of the activities of some priests would you? You would describe the criminals as "Catholic Priests". So why is Islam targeted in these cases, as it appears to be by "Robinson" and his apologists? More careful language is needed to ensure a whole community is not tainted.

There are some pretty wild claims being made about the scale of the problem which are being repeated as if they are fact. The idea that a "whole generation" of children has been abused is just obvious nonsense. The truth is we don't know. What we do know are that people are being arrested and charged, so the police are actively doing their job.

Parents, schools and social workers who suspect things will be reporting them, as I am sure they would have in the past. It's easy to assume that nothing then happens but this is a much more complicated area than some seem to think. Not every parent is responsible. Not every child is an innocent little angel. Don't misunderstand me. I am not defending criminals. I am defending those investigating.

"contributes to making the problem worse" - how exactly? You seem to be making the problem worse yourself by normalizing the stigma of questioning the suppression of the facts and any public debate.

"whether they be children or adults" - don't know your point here but don't you not think that the fact that most of these were children is important - do you not feel they deserve a special level of protection seeing as they are dependent on adults for safety, especially against sex crimes?

"There are some pretty wild claims being made about the scale of the problem which are being repeated as if they are fact. The idea that a "whole generation" of children has been abused is just obvious nonsense" - to me that is a truly disgusting thing to say. Just in Rotherham we are talking about 1510 children (according to the Guardian) in a city of some 250,000 people. Do you think there are many people in Rotherham who were either not affected or don't know someone who was directly affected by this given those numbers? The latest estimate I've seen is that this happened in at least 73 cities/towns. It's like saying saying the holocaust never happened because not every single jew was killed?

"Parents, schools and social workers who suspect things will be reporting them, as I am sure they would have in the past" - We'll they clearly were not and I think that's been proven, how can we be confident that's happening at all and what are the "community" at the centre of all this doing about it? I suspect very little to nothing. Why would they?

"Not every parent is responsible. Not every child is an innocent little angel" - disgusting

 

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Park Road Flag 25 Jun 19 11.22am

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I totally disagree. I think that the attitude you display here contributes to making the problem worse and nothing at all towards finding a solution.

I don't think anyone wishes to diminish the seriousness of this or any other crime involving the systematic targeting of the vulnerable, whether they be children or adults.

What I believe to be unhelpful is to introduce things that are not relevant to the crime. So the question is whether being either of Asian heritage or believing in Islam is relevant? Are all Asians rapists? Does Islam command child molesting? Or are we dealing with a sub section of criminals from those communities?

You wouldn't condemn all Catholics because of the activities of some priests would you? You would describe the criminals as "Catholic Priests". So why is Islam targeted in these cases, as it appears to be by "Robinson" and his apologists? More careful language is needed to ensure a whole community is not tainted.

There are some pretty wild claims being made about the scale of the problem which are being repeated as if they are fact. The idea that a "whole generation" of children has been abused is just obvious nonsense. The truth is we don't know. What we do know are that people are being arrested and charged, so the police are actively doing their job.

Parents, schools and social workers who suspect things will be reporting them, as I am sure they would have in the past. It's easy to assume that nothing then happens but this is a much more complicated area than some seem to think. Not every parent is responsible. Not every child is an innocent little angel. Don't misunderstand me. I am not defending criminals. I am defending those investigating.

Sick to the core!

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 25 Jun 19 11.30am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I totally disagree. I think that the attitude you display here contributes to making the problem worse and nothing at all towards finding a solution.

I don't think anyone wishes to diminish the seriousness of this or any other crime involving the systematic targeting of the vulnerable, whether they be children or adults.

What I believe to be unhelpful is to introduce things that are not relevant to the crime. So the question is whether being either of Asian heritage or believing in Islam is relevant? Are all Asians rapists? Does Islam command child molesting? Or are we dealing with a sub section of criminals from those communities?

You wouldn't condemn all Catholics because of the activities of some priests would you? You would describe the criminals as "Catholic Priests". So why is Islam targeted in these cases, as it appears to be by "Robinson" and his apologists? More careful language is needed to ensure a whole community is not tainted.

There are some pretty wild claims being made about the scale of the problem which are being repeated as if they are fact. The idea that a "whole generation" of children has been abused is just obvious nonsense. The truth is we don't know. What we do know are that people are being arrested and charged, so the police are actively doing their job.

Parents, schools and social workers who suspect things will be reporting them, as I am sure they would have in the past. It's easy to assume that nothing then happens but this is a much more complicated area than some seem to think. Not every parent is responsible. Not every child is an innocent little angel. Don't misunderstand me. I am not defending criminals. I am defending those investigating.

Do you really expect people who warned against the mass import of certain nationalities to be impressed by that sort of logic?

It's like being told not to put your hand in the fire and then blaming the person who warned you when you get third degree burns.

Your last statement really demonstrates the lengths you will go to defend your stupid ideology.
You are always reminding us about technicalities and yet now you are just ignoring the law in favour of the 'she was asking for it' excuse.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (25 Jun 2019 11.38am)

 

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