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 Badger11  Beckenham 05 Apr 21 9.41am |
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Originally posted by cardiff eagle
If we’re all vaccinated by august why would any of us need a test at all? Good point perhaps then for those who can't or wont get vaccinated.
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 05 Apr 21 10.03am |
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Originally posted by cardiff eagle
If we’re all vaccinated by august why would any of us need a test at all? Because the vaccine is not 100% effective. It’s not a magic cure all elixir. Plus everyone is getting vaccinations at different times - and it takes time to build resistance, so people will be at different stages of effectiveness. Mass domestic testing will cease when case count drops and stays low even with restrictions wound back. Doubt that will be until summer next year
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| Eden Eagle Kent 05 Apr 21 1.39pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
What benefit is a lockdown to anyone ?
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BlueJay  UK 05 Apr 21 2.07pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
For the responsible I agree. A friend mentioned this a couple of weeks ago. She has vulnerable people in her household and hasn't seen her own mother for a year. She is concerned about giving her mother the virus or vice versa. She just wanted a level of confidence that they could all take the test before meeting up. Yes, I think for some, based on their individual circumstances, it will be great for peace of mind.
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cardiff eagle  05 Apr 21 3.15pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Because the vaccine is not 100% effective. It’s not a magic cure all elixir. Plus everyone is getting vaccinations at different times - and it takes time to build resistance, so people will be at different stages of effectiveness. Mass domestic testing will cease when case count drops and stays low even with restrictions wound back. Doubt that will be until summer next year Mass testing will ensure case count doesn’t drop and it will go the other way. The correlation between cases and deaths has now been broken due to vaccines so cases are now a pointless measure. Hospitalisations are what matters. Testing the population is just a huge waste of money for no benefit. This isn’t about getting deaths to zero but about getting it to an “acceptable” place just like flu. The vaccines, even if not 100% effective will do that just as they have for flu.
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| cardiff eagle 05 Apr 21 3.17pm |
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Originally posted by Eden Eagle
With LFT having a false positive rate of (conservatively) 1000 per million tested then, if everyone used the tests we would see 67,000 false positives per twice weekly test - what a great opportunity for Johnson to panic and then lockdown again. This might have been useful 12 months ago but cannot see the point now. Exactly this. We’re now finding solutions for last years problems. With the cohorts that account for 99% of the deaths now vaccinated, the landscape is different. Let’s use this HUGE sum of money and invest it in cancer catch-up etc.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 06 Apr 21 9.59pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
I posted your quotes within the context of your actual posts - I neither added nor subtracted anything. You proclaimed how unsafe the vaccine would be 'for years'.. and out there 'species killing itself' views to lockdown. And I haven't even touched on the thalidomide type angles previously just thrown out there like nothing. Some threw everything at the vaccine - nothing stuck. It was all very unfortunate and I purposefully and repeatedly sought clarity because misinformation or entirely unfounded takes can result in others making bad decisions at this time that cost them dearly. Putting these things out there, then not withdrawing them and going on an endless 'will I, won't I' guessing game about whether you intend to get vaccinated (because you realise how ludicrous a complete change of heart appears) is self indulgent and belittles something that is so important at this time. In any case, it appears that you do actually now intend to get vaccinated. I'm glad you've had a rational change of heart - no doubt down to the successful roll out, and people drumming home the facts of the matter, regardless of how you greet them at the time (profanity etc). If the outcome is you and yours doing the right thing, that's good enough for me. By virtue of having it, one would imagine it would bring about a more balanced and sensible take going forward. Be grateful. Many of us are.
Ok, back from my 'Easter break'. So I thought I should address your studious trawling through months of text. It is and will be unsafe for years, if not forever. Why can't everyone have it? Because it's not safe. [Link] Admittedly safer for vulnerable people to have it, but not everyone so certainly unsafe for some. If you think lockdown is not killing anyone, you are being wilfully ignorant. Suicide is rising [Link] (Other examples can be easily googled) and the knock-on effect of unemployment, which is known to lead to poverty and death, is immesurable. Again you make assumptions about me. I never said I would not take the vaccine. You assumed I wouldn't, which highlights how little you know about me. Or anyone, or anything. As for profanity, if you truly support Palace, this is your go to language.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 06 Apr 21 10.01pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Personally I think he nailed it. Absolute flip flopping nonsense And just for you, the "flip flopping" : It is and will be unsafe for years, if not forever. Why can't everyone have it? Because it's not safe. [Link] Admittedly safer for vulnerable people to have it, but not everyone so certainly unsafe for some. If you think lockdown is not killing anyone, you are being wilfully ignorant. Suicide is rising [Link] (Other examples can be easily googled) and the knock-on effect of unemployment, which is known to lead to poverty and death, is immesurable.
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| BlueJay UK 06 Apr 21 11.35pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Ok, back from my 'Easter break'. So I thought I should address your studious trawling through months of text. It is and will be unsafe for years, if not forever. Why can't everyone have it? Because it's not safe. [Link] Admittedly safer for vulnerable people to have it, but not everyone so certainly unsafe for some. If you think lockdown is not killing anyone, you are being wilfully ignorant. Suicide is rising [Link] (Other examples can be easily googled) and the knock-on effect of unemployment, which is known to lead to poverty and death, is immesurable. Again you make assumptions about me. I never said I would not take the vaccine. You assumed I wouldn't, which highlights how little you know about me. Or anyone, or anything. As for profanity, if you truly support Palace, this is your go to language. Happy Easter! I agree on the last point I'm happy that your change of heart led to you and your mrs taking the decision to get vaccinated. As I said, that's all that matters in my book. Whether someone has always thought it would be heaven sent, or something that bubbled up from a swamp or somewhere inbetween, its making a good decision at the end of it that matters most. It's all about keeping people out of hospital, and based on the studies and groups vaccinated, after the second jab we'll have done about as much to throw a spanner in the works of covid as possible. I didn't say that lockdown hasn't killed anyone or hasn't damaged peoples mental health. In some regard I would say that it has damaged most people in some way, due to isolation, lack of access to health services and so on. Beyond the first lockdown which of course made perfect sense (but was too late), it was always a government judgement call as to what to do next, and a journey we're only passengers on (much like the 'passport vaccine decisions'). Any decision(s) either way would've resulted in a miserable outcome compared to the status quo, which is one of the more difficult things to come to terms with in a situation like this.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 07 Apr 21 12.20am |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Happy Easter! I agree on the last point I'm happy that your change of heart led to you and your mrs taking the decision to get vaccinated. As I said, that's all that matters in my book. Whether someone has always thought it would be heaven sent, or something that bubbled up from a swamp or somewhere inbetween, its making a good decision at the end of it that matters most. It's all about keeping people out of hospital, and based on the studies and groups vaccinated, after the second jab we'll have done about as much to throw a spanner in the works of covid as possible. I didn't say that lockdown hasn't killed anyone or hasn't damaged peoples mental health. In some regard I would say that it has damaged most people in some way, due to isolation, lack of access to health services and so on. Beyond the first lockdown which of course made perfect sense (but was too late), it was always a government judgement call as to what to do next, and a journey we're only passengers on (much like the 'passport vaccine decisions'). Any decision(s) either way would've resulted in a miserable outcome compared to the status quo, which is one of the more difficult things to come to terms with in a situation like this. As I previously stated, I have not had a change of heart. That is your assumption. I also didn't say that I have had the jab. You assume too much. You vilified me for stating that lockdown caused deaths, but now admit that it did. That is "flip flopping"! as stated by another poster who does as he is told regardless. As for vaccine passports, that is a step towards a police state society. "Produce your papers!" Oh yes, Happy Easter to you too Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (07 Apr 2021 12.21am)
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| BlueJay UK 07 Apr 21 1.42am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
As I previously stated, I have not had a change of heart. That is your assumption. I also didn't say that I have had the jab. You assume too much. As for vaccine passports, that is a step towards a police state society. "Produce your papers!" Oh yes, Happy Easter to you too Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (07 Apr 2021 12.21am) I said you have 'taken the decision to get vaccinated'. Based on your recent post (about how not having a smartphone hindered that aim) it certainly sounds that you have actively 'tried' to get vaccinated, which is the decision I'm referring to. Or maybe you've changed your mind yet again
And I would say that I'm likely in broad agreement on the civil liberties aspect of vaccine passports and the like. It's important to transition out of this horrible time in such a way that doesn't leave behind changes in law that are never rowed back.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Apr 21 9.44am |
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That first lockdown should never have lasted as long as it did, especially keeping hospitals closed and empty all summer, but of course you get the usual hysterical bunch, and Covid scared selfish, who blame ‘help out to eat out’ for the 2nd Covid season (or wave as they’re now using to to alert people we could have ‘exponential’ infections on a vaccinated population, and probably deaths as well). We’re now hearing of modelling that could see deaths in July as high as in January, when we had minimal deaths last year in July with no vaccine compared to this year with most vulnerable vaccinated and probably all adults having dose 1 by then. This is facking ridiculous and some other people need to be involved in this and not just the zero Covid obsessed medics and Boris Johnson haunted by the mistakes at the beginning while now using strategies 12 months too late, even if we’re using tests already paid for, which of course is just to try to show they weren’t a waste of money and bought too late and something correct was done the whole time. They have their zero Covid obsession and I have zero confidence in these people removed from real life steering the country into the rocks while leading the way out of it weirdly.
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