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nickgusset  Shizzlehurst 29 Nov 17 7.50pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
We have had nothing but mass criticism of leave since the vote. The entire establishment was remain and they have done nothing but continually attack since the vote. If another vote started I'm pretty sure the 'leave' campaign would get them back. But this question is done for, by rights, over a generation......just like we had to wait for a vote on the EU again after 74. Just for balance then, will you outline what is going well thus far.
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 tome  Inner Tantalus Time. 29 Nov 17 7.58pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Isn't it? These leave voices were a fraction of MPs. The government.....the government sent a 'remain' leaflet to my door......That's how remain the establishment is......even now the leader voted remain. The BBC favours remain and always has. We are constantly awash with one sided 'remain' media.....no balance. Come on, you can't really believe that the media is pro-remain - look at the Mail, Express, Telegraph, Sun - those are the principle drivers for Leave. You often seem to regard the way people voted as a mark of their identity, rather than a vote. There is still no real clarity on how things are going to be any better after Brexit, so is it any wonder MPs think it's better to stay?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Nov 17 8.18pm |
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Originally posted by tome
Come on, you can't really believe that the media is pro-remain - look at the Mail, Express, Telegraph, Sun - those are the principle drivers for Leave. You often seem to regard the way people voted as a mark of their identity, rather than a vote. There is still no real clarity on how things are going to be any better after Brexit, so is it any wonder MPs think it's better to stay?
Many think MPs are delegates where they push for the consensus of who they represent. This is not strictly true as the consensus may not necessarily be the right choice for whatever reason. It's a fine balance because mp's need re electing, to go against consensus (even though it may be in the best interests of constituents) means potential lost votes and no seat in the next parliament. Could you vote for something even if in your heart of hearts you don't think it's the right thing to do?
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| .TUX. 29 Nov 17 8.27pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
privately owned? Strange that government finances consolidate out such loans and interest payments. That would suggest it's publicly owned. Every Central Bank is privately owned.
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| .TUX. 29 Nov 17 9.06pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Just for balance then, will you outline what is going well thus far. Just for balance then, will you outline what is going well thus far............with Draghi's policy of keeping the bloc 'alive' with his continual printing of money (from thin-air), ie the bloc has been 'spanking the plastic' for years yet you and yours, and i include the media, never mention this fact for some reason!?
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| tome Inner Tantalus Time. 29 Nov 17 10.34pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Many think MPs are delegates where they push for the consensus of who they represent. This is not strictly true as the consensus may not necessarily be the right choice for whatever reason. It's a fine balance because mp's need re electing, to go against consensus (even though it may be in the best interests of constituents) means potential lost votes and no seat in the next parliament. Could you vote for something even if in your heart of hearts you don't think it's the right thing to do? Edited by nickgusset (29 Nov 2017 8.19pm) Your question is short-form for why I think party politics is a problem. As a party politician, you'd have to back positions you disagree with or risking getting it from the whips. If I was an MP, I'd always want to vote on what I think will be best for the country and the community. Problem is, I don't think either are very good at distinguishing between wants and needs.
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| wordup 29 Nov 17 10.48pm |
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What's a few tens of billions between friends?
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| .TUX. 29 Nov 17 10.52pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Financially, things today are far worse than in 2007/08. Fact. Financial crashes, housing crashes etc etc are all on a loop. A loop that many still ignore, despite knowing the facts. And no, it won't stay that way.
Currently, and just for the record, 4,300%. ..........with no tenants, agency fees or grief.
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Kermit8  Hevon 30 Nov 17 10.12am |
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So after rebate we pay something around £180mill per week with the benefits of that coming back across to us through cheaper goods, grants, reciprocal arrangements etc, being worth much more. £50billion agreed divorce bill is the equivalent to nearly six years payments and as it stands with no future benefits in order to claw it all back. Oh, and more non-eu immigration to look forward to to help fill the gaps left by our Euro friends.
Edited by Kermit8 (30 Nov 2017 10.12am)
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| Midlands Eagle 30 Nov 17 10.22am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
What was the point of a referendum then if the MPs are going to disregard the result
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| steeleye20 Croydon 30 Nov 17 10.31am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
What was the point of a referendum then if the MPs are going to disregard the result This referendum was advisory, not binding on the government.
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| topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 30 Nov 17 10.38am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
This referendum was advisory, not binding on the government. It certainly wasn't sold to the public as such.
It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses. |
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