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Stirlingsays 04 Jan 18 4.50am | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Well, I'm going to be ridiculing your hubris, so that's just as well. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jan 2018 4.50am)
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Stirlingsays 04 Jan 18 5.05am | |
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Originally posted by twist
Clinton Email server issue ? your kidding me right ? What about Governor scott, who when petitioned via the correct channels to release his emails of the previous 3 1/2 years, the backups had magically disappeared ? Bannon, reportedly, has said it right, treason has been committed, and the real sh!t is close to hitting the fan. Get ready for a war with North Korea, because thats what presidents do when things go south for them. And just how democratic an election was it ? when so much fake news was thrown out there in the weeks leading upto the election, including the FBI flub that probably cost Clinton the presidency. Nice whataboutery. Why should I care about a Governor Scott? I'm not a republican. Clinton was secretary of state....not a bleeding governor.....the scale of what she had access to doesn't even come close. My point is entirely a criticism of selective political interference. People obsessing over the corruptions that they want to come true because they hope it results in the undemocratic political outcome they want.....unseating a president they don't like....and all over what....his team talking dirt with the Russians? The amount of crap the democrats have spoken over this has shown me....if I hadn't already seen...that they are no better than the tea party that dogged Obama and the politicians who looked to impeach a president for a sodding blow job. An election was held, a president was chosen. I'm not someone who supports this kind of opposition. I prefer criticism of policies rather than trying to unseat a president undemocratically. If he's done something dramatically wrong then prove it.....I await the conclusion....After it, there will be people to criticise either way.
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wordup 04 Jan 18 10.05am | |
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Trump attorney sends Bannon cease and desist letter over 'disparaging' comments - [Link] Quote During the campaign, then-candidate Trump had all campaign staff sign a non-disclosure agreement which required all staff, according to campaign sources, to refrain from any disparaging comments against the candidate, his family or the Trump campaign and organization.
One for the newly minted freedom of speech fans lol. Of course what's amusing is that bringing Wollf in and have him conduct 100+ interviews with people appears to have had the presidents approval at the time. How remarkably stupid to do such a thing if you want potentially very dodgy behaviour to go unquestioned. Bannon doesn't need to say another word. It's deckstairs on the titanic time so he can hardly be blamed for telling it like it is. Quote Wolff, who chronicles the administration from Election Day to this past October, conducted conversations and interviews over a period of 18 months with the president, most members of his senior staff, and many people to whom they in turn spoke. Shortly after Trump’s inauguration, Wolff says, he was able to take up “something like a semi-permanent seat on a couch in the West Wing”—an idea encouraged by the president himself. Because no one was in a position to either officially approve or formally deny such access, Wolff became “more a constant interloper than an invited guest.” There were no ground rules placed on his access, and he was required to make no promises about how he would report on what he witnessed.
He appears to be employing people to simply tell him what he wants to hear, which is all well and good, but not with your own legal team where you might get brought down by your own behaviour due to the level of scrutiny involved in this role. And accusing someone of communicating disparaging information which at the same time saying they've 'lost their mind' isn't always a good move. If he takes legal action there will be of course be the discovery phase of evidence collection on both sides. This man doesn't need others to bring him down, it's always amateur hour with Trump. Edited by wordup (04 Jan 2018 10.39am)
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wordup 04 Jan 18 10.22am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Nice whataboutery. Why should I care about a Governor Scott? I'm not a republican. Clinton was secretary of state....not a bleeding governor.....the scale of what she had access to doesn't even come close. And trump is 'bleeding president'. Clinton isn't. Nice whataboutery. Comey went the extra mile on the Clinton front and doing so arguably even tipped the election. Of course not a peep from people when Trump is even on video saying that he fired Comey because of the, apparently imaginary, 'Russia stuff'.
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Stirlingsays 04 Jan 18 1.04pm | |
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Clinton was a president and hence it's an accurate comparison on the behaviour of activists against them. It isn't whataboutery as it's answering a 'whataboutery' point by making an actual comparison involving presidents. Originally posted by wordup
Comey went the extra mile on the Clinton front and doing so arguably even tipped the election. Of course not a peep from people when Trump is even on video saying that he fired Comey because of the, apparently imaginary, 'Russia stuff'. Edited by wordup (04 Jan 2018 10.41am) Comey made a judgement on the Clinton emails that made no sense to me. Comey came across quite well in my view but that's just a view. I don't comment that much on what Trump does unless it's actually under discussion. I spend most of my time criticising the hopelessly biased commentators against him.
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wordup 04 Jan 18 2.29pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Comey made a judgement on the Clinton emails that made no sense to me. Comey came across quite well in my view but that's just a view. I don't comment that much on what Trump does unless it's actually under discussion. I spend most of my time criticising the hopelessly biased commentators against him. That will be because you're very well aligned with his particular brand of identity politics.
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jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Jan 18 2.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Comey made a judgement on the Clinton emails that made no sense to me. Comey came across quite well in my view but that's just a view. I don't comment that much on what Trump does unless it's actually under discussion. I spend most of my time criticising the hopelessly biased commentators against him. Oddly I think they're kind of protecting him. All the talk about collusion and dumb things he says, and has pretty much protected him from what is likely to be a serious scandal involving money laundering for the Russians, that may have been going on for a decade. The issue isn't really going to be what you like or don't like about the guy, but what the FBI can pin in terms of criminal charges - and thats looking very much like money laundering, tax and declaration offences relating to foriegn investments, and lying to the FBI / Under oath etc. Its gone too far for the FBI not to press charges on something against very senior members of the administration - and I'd be astounded if there isn't anything to find in terms of financial misdeeds and illegal business practices. My bet is that it'll be more about financial activity before even entering the primaries - and that the 'election stuff' turns out to be more something the Russians did in return for the laundering, rather than something more nefarious like 'treason'. I suspect that he'll be hung out to dry, by others who had a more direct hand in the cookie jar. He's a 71 year old man, who even if the arrests were all done and dusted by tomorrow, could likely spend the next five years before a trial proper - with a number of options available to even avoid standing trial on grounds of ill health etc. I'll be surprised, even if found guilty, that he'll spend any time in prison. He's the perfect 'fall guy', old, dumb and possibly 'mentally incompetent'.
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Stirlingsays 04 Jan 18 2.55pm | |
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Originally posted by wordup
That will be because you're very well aligned with his particular brand of identity politics. Really? I'm with him on immigration and nationalism but there are plenty of Trump policies I'm against. Are you conflating nationalism with racial identity?
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Ray in Houston Houston 04 Jan 18 3.01pm | |
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Originally posted by kenbarr
We Americans are kind of funny about foreign powers trying to influence our elections, especially when they hack into our files. I would remind all and sundry that the Watergate investigations lasted over two years. This has been going on for less than one.
It's the same underlying crime and the same process playing out, even down to whether or not the President will have the Special Prosecutor fired. Back then, Nixon fired a number of number of Justice Department officials before he found one willing to fire the SP, but that was so shocking that it ultimately hastened his end. [Link] Trump is on the horns of the same dilemma, and it's likely that Mueller hasn't been fired yet because it would take another "Saturday Night Massacre" at the DOJ to get it done. It's the same thing except, back then Congressional Republicans seem to give a s*** about the rule of law.
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Stirlingsays 04 Jan 18 3.06pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Oddly I think they're kind of protecting him. All the talk about collusion and dumb things he says, and has pretty much protected him from what is likely to be a serious scandal involving money laundering for the Russians, that may have been going on for a decade. The issue isn't really going to be what you like or don't like about the guy, but what the FBI can pin in terms of criminal charges - and thats looking very much like money laundering, tax and declaration offences relating to foriegn investments, and lying to the FBI / Under oath etc. Its gone too far for the FBI not to press charges on something against very senior members of the administration - and I'd be astounded if there isn't anything to find in terms of financial misdeeds and illegal business practices. My bet is that it'll be more about financial activity before even entering the primaries - and that the 'election stuff' turns out to be more something the Russians did in return for the laundering, rather than something more nefarious like 'treason'. I suspect that he'll be hung out to dry, by others who had a more direct hand in the cookie jar. He's a 71 year old man, who even if the arrests were all done and dusted by tomorrow, could likely spend the next five years before a trial proper - with a number of options available to even avoid standing trial on grounds of ill health etc. I'll be surprised, even if found guilty, that he'll spend any time in prison. He's the perfect 'fall guy', old, dumb and possibly 'mentally incompetent'. We will see I guess. I take a dim view of politically motivated efforts to unseat democratically elected presidents. The republicans did it to Clinton and we had the amusing birth certificate stuff by Trump on Obama. The tea party were knobs and I see the modern day democrats...with exceptions as being just as unethical. If these presidents are doing something illegal in office then there's a point.....but I don't support this notion that Trump had to be 'clean' before he came in front of the voters......I mean everyone knew he wasn't clean on taxes..everyone knew his attitude towards sections of different groups, certain women and so on...but the guy won...and he won because enough voters were sick of 'same old, same old'. So as far as I'm concerned unless Trump is proven in doing something significant....as Nixon was with Watergate.....where there is actual tape of him authorizing actions......then I regard these actions as elective subversion. The democrats should be sorting their own house out for the mid terms.....there they could tame Trump as Obama was tamed. If Trump was impeached on terms like financials the democrats would probably get be another republican victory due to backlash.
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Ray in Houston Houston 04 Jan 18 3.10pm | |
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Originally posted by twist
Pence is not a bad guy, at lease i can just disagree with his policies but i dont think i can doubt his patriotism, or statesmanship.
He may not have been caught up directly in the Russia collusion - I'm sure that was friends and family only - but he has at worst enabled the cover-up when it came to Flynn. He nailed his colours to Trump's tiny, orange mast, and will have to live with those consequences. I don't think his patented, pious, indignant face is going to get him out of this one.
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Ray in Houston Houston 04 Jan 18 3.15pm | |
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Originally posted by wordup
Comey went the extra mile on the Clinton front and doing so arguably even tipped the election. Of course not a peep from people when Trump is even on video saying that he fired Comey because of the, apparently imaginary, 'Russia stuff'.
If there's any foul to be cried here, it's by Clinton for the material fact there was an FBI investigation into Trump while Trump was screaming into any and every microphone about an FBI investigation into Clinton. Yet Comey chose to disclose one and not the other.
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