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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 12 Mar 21 9.23am
Originally posted by Eden Eagle Really.. How about £37 BILLION on the Track and Trace app - that is £100 MILLION being spent every single DAY. Contracts not put out to tender - the pub landlord of Hancocks local awarded a multi million pound contract despite having no experience. Tory donors getting multi million pound contracts for companies that had been set up only a couple of weeks previously again with no experience of procuring PPE, legitimate UK companies with experience ignored and not allowed to tender. This is one of the most expensive projects in world history - ever - for reference the Mars probe that landed recently cost less than £3 Billion. Germany Track and Trace cost estimated at £30 MILLION and Ireland’s less than £5 MILLION. Yep. All of this is a disgrace At the time everyone was in full panic mode and speed was of the essence, so no time to do 6 month tenders, extensive background checks and all that. Hence, defaulting to mates and going with sharks who say they can and charge astronomical amounts simply because there’s no other option. And, at that time, it’s a classic supply demand market so prices would have been massively inflated. What’s worse - overpaying and some dodgy deals then dealing with the fallout later, or doing things properly and having no testing, PPE etc. and bungling the whole thing even more than they needed up doing? Doesn’t make it right but I can see why it all happened. Crucial thing is they need to get slapped for it. Will that happen in full? Unlikely. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 12 Mar 21 9.23am

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Really..

How about £37 BILLION on the Track and Trace app - that is £100 MILLION being spent every single DAY.

Contracts not put out to tender - the pub landlord of Hancocks local awarded a multi million pound contract despite having no experience. Tory donors getting multi million pound contracts for companies that had been set up only a couple of weeks previously again with no experience of procuring PPE, legitimate UK companies with experience ignored and not allowed to tender.

This is one of the most expensive projects in world history - ever - for reference the Mars probe that landed recently cost less than £3 Billion.

Germany Track and Trace cost estimated at £30 MILLION and Ireland’s less than £5 MILLION.

Yep. All of this is a disgrace

At the time everyone was in full panic mode and speed was of the essence, so no time to do 6 month tenders, extensive background checks and all that. Hence, defaulting to mates and going with sharks who say they can and charge astronomical amounts simply because there’s no other option. And, at that time, it’s a classic supply demand market so prices would have been massively inflated.

What’s worse - overpaying and some dodgy deals then dealing with the fallout later, or doing things properly and having no testing, PPE etc. and bungling the whole thing even more than they needed up doing? Doesn’t make it right but I can see why it all happened.

Crucial thing is they need to get slapped for it. Will that happen in full? Unlikely.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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BlueJay UK 12 Mar 21 10.16am
Originally posted by Eden Eagle How about £37 BILLION on the Track and Trace app - that is £100 MILLION being spent every single DAY. Contracts not put out to tender - the pub landlord of Hancocks local awarded a multi million pound contract despite having no experience. Tory donors getting multi million pound contracts for companies that had been set up only a couple of weeks previously again with no experience of procuring PPE, legitimate UK companies with experience ignored and not allowed to tender. The extend to which politicians are primed to feather their own nest is really quite something. Never let a crisis go to waste, as they say.
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UK 12 Mar 21 10.16am

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

How about £37 BILLION on the Track and Trace app - that is £100 MILLION being spent every single DAY.

The extend to which politicians are primed to feather their own nest is really quite something. Never let a crisis go to waste, as they say.

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BlueJay UK 12 Mar 21 10.33am
More real world data from Israel for Professor Plum - COVID vaccine 97% effective, Israeli data shows The Israeli government, researchers, and Pfizer-BioNTech have been tracking the rollout to see how the vaccine’s real-world performance compares with the 95% efficacy shown in a controlled clinical trial. "The Pfizer coronavirus vaccine is about 97% effective against severe cases and 94% against asymptomatic infections, new data jointly released Thursday by the pharmaceutical company and the Health Ministry shows. The study considered information collected in Israel between January 17 and March 6. Unvaccinated individuals were found to be 44 times more likely to develop a symptomatic case of COVID-19 and 29 times more likely to succumb to the virus when compared to individuals who had received their second dose two weeks prior. The vaccine presented a 97% efficacy in preventing severe symptoms, hospitalization and death, and a 94% efficacy in preventing asymptomatic infections....a major driver of the virus’s spread" Edited by BlueJay (12 Mar 2021 10.36am)
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UK 12 Mar 21 10.33am

More real world data from Israel for Professor Plum -

COVID vaccine 97% effective, Israeli data shows

The Israeli government, researchers, and Pfizer-BioNTech have been tracking the rollout to see how the vaccine’s real-world performance compares with the 95% efficacy shown in a controlled clinical trial.

"The Pfizer coronavirus vaccine is about 97% effective against severe cases and 94% against asymptomatic infections, new data jointly released Thursday by the pharmaceutical company and the Health Ministry shows.

The study considered information collected in Israel between January 17 and March 6. Unvaccinated individuals were found to be 44 times more likely to develop a symptomatic case of COVID-19 and 29 times more likely to succumb to the virus when compared to individuals who had received their second dose two weeks prior.

The vaccine presented a 97% efficacy in preventing severe symptoms, hospitalization and death, and a 94% efficacy in preventing asymptomatic infections....a major driver of the virus’s spread"

Edited by BlueJay (12 Mar 2021 10.36am)

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silvertop Portishead 12 Mar 21 10.43am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Yep. All of this is a disgrace At the time everyone was in full panic mode and speed was of the essence, so no time to do 6 month tenders, extensive background checks and all that. Hence, defaulting to mates and going with sharks who say they can and charge astronomical amounts simply because there’s no other option. And, at that time, it’s a classic supply demand market so prices would have been massively inflated. What’s worse - overpaying and some dodgy deals then dealing with the fallout later, or doing things properly and having no testing, PPE etc. and bungling the whole thing even more than they needed up doing? Doesn’t make it right but I can see why it all happened. Crucial thing is they need to get slapped for it. Will that happen in full? Unlikely. Not with their majority.
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Portishead 12 Mar 21 10.43am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Yep. All of this is a disgrace

Crucial thing is they need to get slapped for it. Will that happen in full? Unlikely.

Not with their majority.

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cryrst The garden of England 12 Mar 21 11.29am
Originally posted by Eden Eagle Really.. How about £37 BILLION on the Track and Trace app - that is £100 MILLION being spent every single DAY. Contracts not put out to tender - the pub landlord of Hancocks local awarded a multi million pound contract despite having no experience. Tory donors getting multi million pound contracts for companies that had been set up only a couple of weeks previously again with no experience of procuring PPE, legitimate UK companies with experience ignored and not allowed to tender. This is one of the most expensive projects in world history - ever - for reference the Mars probe that landed recently cost less than £3 Billion. Germany Track and Trace cost estimated at £30 MILLION and Ireland’s less than £5 MILLION. The track and trace. Who had to be paid to use their phone service? I'm sure there were plenty of air time providers grabbing a few billion. As well as the 119 phone service employees; and dont forget less than 20% of people actually stuck to the rules once identified as requiring to. This whole thing has got where it is because of us. We could have done what we were asked back last year and it could have been gone or manageable a while back. Throwing stones when the glass has been removed just hits you on the head. As sw19 says without prompt action ppe could still be lacking. Yes due diligence wasnt followed but was there time to?
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The garden of England 12 Mar 21 11.29am

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Really..

How about £37 BILLION on the Track and Trace app - that is £100 MILLION being spent every single DAY.

This is one of the most expensive projects in world history - ever - for reference the Mars probe that landed recently cost less than £3 Billion.

Germany Track and Trace cost estimated at £30 MILLION and Ireland’s less than £5 MILLION.

The track and trace.
Who had to be paid to use their phone service? I'm sure there were plenty of air time providers grabbing a few billion. As well as the 119 phone service employees; and dont forget less than 20% of people actually stuck to the rules once identified as requiring to. This whole thing has got where it is because of us. We could have done what we were asked back last year and it could have been gone or manageable a while back. Throwing stones when the glass has been removed just hits you on the head.
As sw19 says without prompt action ppe could still be lacking. Yes due diligence wasnt followed but was there time to?

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Mar 21 12.03pm
Originally posted by Eden Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Once again it has nothing at all to do with this particular government or indeed any government. It will be something that most of us expect so will be introduced somehow, whether by government or commercially. It's likely to be an internationally accepted standard that permits travel to, and entry into, other countries. Indeed there are already at least two competing schemes being set up. You will be free to refuse. That's entirely your decision but a refusal would bring consequences. Nothing unusual about that. Every decision has consequences. Just as smokers are required to smoke outside of pubs I can envisage the unvaccinated being required to do the same. In another area of course! [/quote You are getting fixated on the vaccination - this is not about that. Try and imagine a UK where you need to show a pass to access a shop to buy a loaf of bread - this pass is controlled by and issued through the UK government (Johnson & Hancock etc) and your right to access any shops, restaurants, pubs etc is dependent on the criteria that is set by HMG. Imagine that your political view differs from the required consensus and you go on a protest march - this has been picked up and your social credit score is subsequently reduced and your pass no longer allows you to travel. If you think this is far fetched then review China. Please try to not confuse this with needing a vaccine to enter a different country. I am not the least fixated on anything. All I am doing is anticipating the possible consequences of the pandemic and trying to stop you, and others, seeing them as some kind of attack on personal freedoms. There will be consequences that result in long-lasting changes to the way we are expected by others to behave and to what we can do if we decide not to comply. That it may well be administered by a government department doesn't mean the motivation for it rests with the government. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 12 Mar 21 12.03pm

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Once again it has nothing at all to do with this particular government or indeed any government. It will be something that most of us expect so will be introduced somehow, whether by government or commercially. It's likely to be an internationally accepted standard that permits travel to, and entry into, other countries. Indeed there are already at least two competing schemes being set up. You will be free to refuse. That's entirely your decision but a refusal would bring consequences. Nothing unusual about that. Every decision has consequences.

Just as smokers are required to smoke outside of pubs I can envisage the unvaccinated being required to do the same. In another area of course!

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You are getting fixated on the vaccination - this is not about that.

Try and imagine a UK where you need to show a pass to access a shop to buy a loaf of bread - this pass is controlled by and issued through the UK government (Johnson & Hancock etc) and your right to access any shops, restaurants, pubs etc is dependent on the criteria that is set by HMG.

Imagine that your political view differs from the required consensus and you go on a protest march - this has been picked up and your social credit score is subsequently reduced and your pass no longer allows you to travel.

If you think this is far fetched then review China.

Please try to not confuse this with needing a vaccine to enter a different country.

I am not the least fixated on anything. All I am doing is anticipating the possible consequences of the pandemic and trying to stop you, and others, seeing them as some kind of attack on personal freedoms.

There will be consequences that result in long-lasting changes to the way we are expected by others to behave and to what we can do if we decide not to comply.

That it may well be administered by a government department doesn't mean the motivation for it rests with the government.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Eaglecoops CR3 12 Mar 21 1.32pm
Let’s see if people vote to have their civil liberties removed, then we will have the answer. I can’t see it happening myself. The next elections are going to be very interesting although having said that, when was the last time a party fulfilled its election promises?
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Eaglecoops

CR3 12 Mar 21 1.32pm

Let’s see if people vote to have their civil liberties removed, then we will have the answer. I can’t see it happening myself. The next elections are going to be very interesting although having said that, when was the last time a party fulfilled its election promises?

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cryrst The garden of England 12 Mar 21 4.27pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Let’s see if people vote to have their civil liberties removed, then we will have the answer. I can’t see it happening myself. The next elections are going to be very interesting although having said that, when was the last time a party fulfilled its election promises? Tories will win in 24 and Labour in 28. They can then deal with all the green crap that's coming our way.
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The garden of England 12 Mar 21 4.27pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Tories will win in 24 and Labour in 28.
They can then deal with all the green crap that's coming our way.

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Teddy Eagle 21 Mar 21 10.41am
Yesterday the BBC referred to “the UK variant” there are also the South African and Brazil variants. Why is it acceptable to use these names but not to refer to the Chinese virus?
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21 Mar 21 10.41am

Yesterday the BBC referred to “the UK variant” there are also the South African and Brazil variants. Why is it acceptable to use these names but not to refer to the Chinese virus?

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Stirlingsays 21 Mar 21 11.43am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Yesterday the BBC referred to “the UK variant” there are also the South African and Brazil variants. Why is it acceptable to use these names but not to refer to the Chinese virus? If you reduce it down to the rudimentary it's money. They don't fear the reactions of the others.....but the elites, who shape the discourse, fear upsetting China. And they have plenty of 'useful idiots', a few funded but mostly ideological, who are willing to play defence for them. I'd say with the BBC it's ideological. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Mar 2021 11.47am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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21 Mar 21 11.43am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Yesterday the BBC referred to “the UK variant” there are also the South African and Brazil variants. Why is it acceptable to use these names but not to refer to the Chinese virus?

If you reduce it down to the rudimentary it's money.

They don't fear the reactions of the others.....but the elites, who shape the discourse, fear upsetting China.

And they have plenty of 'useful idiots', a few funded but mostly ideological, who are willing to play defence for them.

I'd say with the BBC it's ideological.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Mar 2021 11.47am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Teddy Eagle 21 Mar 21 1.07pm
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 Mar 21 1.50pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle [Link] Yes I heard the stupid bint Mary Ramsay from PHE on my phone. 43 mins in she says this: [Link] That was after Mauraid Macguinness from the EU trying to defend their terrible handling and tactics on the vaccines. Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Mar 2021 1.50pm) COYP
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