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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Nov 17 10.20am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

It was always going to be 50. Should've agreed it earlier. The issue I have is that this and a couple of other matters are agreed and filed away from reach before we move onto what we're really waiting for and what the EU was originally set up for. Trade. Well publicly anyway. Then there's open immigration. Something it wasn't set up for, publicly.

Hopefully because we've dragged it out it'll help with the negotiations that'll really attract interest.

I don't agree with that. Why exactly are we going along with 50?

In fact I prefer a no deal to this.

 


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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 29 Nov 17 10.23am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't agree with that. Why exactly are we going along with 50?

In fact I prefer a no deal to this.


We're not paying a particular figure, we're honouring our commitments and obligations. It's that simple.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Nov 17 10.30am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't agree with that. Why exactly are we going along with 50?

In fact I prefer a no deal to this.

It'll be 50 spread over several years and the trade agreements and, if done fairly and successfully, should dwarf this figure over many many years compared to no deal, which is why we voted leave. For the longer term. Well a lot of us did.

It's not this I'm concerned about but I am that it's decided and filed away without being part of other aspects of our future relationships. That's how the real world works. It's like we're the school children being allowed a short say and to then shut up and accept whatever, regardless of fairness.

If they continue to try and stitch us up then I might agree to walk away.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 29 Nov 17 10.46am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle


We're not paying a particular figure, we're honouring our commitments and obligations. It's that simple.

We are already honouring our commitments and obligations to the EU as members.

This is a bribe as the UK is desperate for a bespoke trade agreement mirroring the single market.

Its far less than the UK will pay if we do leave and would continue to pay for many years after.

But the main thing IMO that should bring a stop to brexit, is that the aims of brexit as put forward by leave at the EU vote in 2016 are not going to be achieved.

Whatever happened to the 350 millions a week for the NHS?

Now in a brown envelope for Mr.Junckers and plenty more to follow.

 

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Ketteridge Flag Brighton 29 Nov 17 10.47am Send a Private Message to Ketteridge Add Ketteridge as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle


We're not paying a particular figure, we're honouring our commitments and obligations. It's that simple.

It is paying back our commitments but those commitments aren’t clear and transparent, the best analogy I’ve heard is that we have all been out to dinner and we know we have had the steak dinner which are prepared to pay for , we also happy to pay for the wine but we are not sure how much of the wine we have had and in any case we wanted a nice bottle of wine while the Romania’s only wanted the house wine. We also promised to chip in a bit extra for the meal next month because we know some of the others guest are a little bit skint and they have a mate who can do our garden for us but so now a few others are going to have to stump up a bit extra.
It’s also a bit irrelevant for remainers, of which I’m one, to say that if people had known the cost of leaving would they have voted out, well, they are our commitments we would have been paying them and would continue to be paying them into the future had we remained.

 


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europalace Flag Europe 29 Nov 17 10.49am Send a Private Message to europalace Add europalace as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

It'll be 50 spread over several years and the trade agreements and, if done fairly and successfully, should dwarf this figure over many many years compared to no deal, which is why we voted leave. For the longer term. Well a lot of us did.

It's not this I'm concerned about but I am that it's decided and filed away without being part of other aspects of our future relationships. That's how the real world works. It's like we're the school children being allowed a short say and to then shut up and accept whatever, regardless of fairness.

If they continue to try and stitch us up then I might agree to walk away.


The only people 'stitching you up' are yourselves for voting without knowing what was on offer as an alternative. That alternative is only beginning to be exposed and there's still a lot more to see, unfortunately 18 months after you voted.

Can you imagine voting in a general election where no party says anything about what it plans to do should it win that election? Only to tell it's voters once it's in power? That's what you have done.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Nov 17 11.22am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by europalace


The only people 'stitching you up' are yourselves for voting without knowing what was on offer as an alternative. That alternative is only beginning to be exposed and there's still a lot more to see, unfortunately 18 months after you voted.

Can you imagine voting in a general election where no party says anything about what it plans to do should it win that election? Only to tell it's voters once it's in power? That's what you have done.

We know what we're going to be negotiating so we're not as in the dark as you think, and no, it's nothing like a general election.

Paul Mason was in favour of leave but under a labour government. You've just done okay because of the EU privileges and think it applies to 60 million of us too. You might live to see your offspring want to return to Britain. Remember me saying it to you now.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Nov 17 11.27am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by europalace


The only people 'stitching you up' are yourselves for voting without knowing what was on offer as an alternative. That alternative is only beginning to be exposed and there's still a lot more to see, unfortunately 18 months after you voted.

Can you imagine voting in a general election where no party says anything about what it plans to do should it win that election? Only to tell it's voters once it's in power? That's what you have done.

Get it into your skull that I'm very happy to leave like plenty of others.

Nothing you say makes the blind bit of difference and essentially you're just a bitter person who buggered off.

So essentially what you think doesn't matter here. Make your voice heard in the EU skeptic country you amusingly chose to move to.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2017 11.29am)

 


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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 29 Nov 17 11.36am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Get it into your skull that I'm very happy to leave like plenty of others.

Nothing you say makes the blind bit of difference and essentially you're just a bitter person who buggered off.

So essentially what you think doesn't matter here. Make your voice heard in the EU skeptic country you amusingly chose to move to.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2017 11.29am)


Maybe you've been swayed by Russian bots.

In other news Eurozone confidence at 17 year high and growth in Q4 now expected to beat initial forecasts.

UK very much looking like the sick man of Europe.

Austerity and Brexit mishandling combining to erode living standards and leave us trailing in the dust of the world economy. Sad.

 

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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 29 Nov 17 11.54am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

We are already honouring our commitments and obligations to the EU as members.

This is a bribe as the UK is desperate for a bespoke trade agreement mirroring the single market.

Its far less than the UK will pay if we do leave and would continue to pay for many years after.

But the main thing IMO that should bring a stop to brexit, is that the aims of brexit as put forward by leave at the EU vote in 2016 are not going to be achieved.

Whatever happened to the 350 millions a week for the NHS?

Now in a brown envelope for Mr.Junckers and plenty more to follow.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think it's good value, but it was always going to be necessary if we are going to leave with any sort of appropriate deal.

Government incompetence means a good deal still unlikely, even if we do end up continuing to meet obligations without getting any of the benefits for many years to come.

 

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europalace Flag Europe 29 Nov 17 11.58am Send a Private Message to europalace Add europalace as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Get it into your skull that I'm very happy to leave like plenty of others.

Nothing you say makes the blind bit of difference and essentially you're just a bitter person who buggered off.

So essentially what you think doesn't matter here. Make your voice heard in the EU skeptic country you amusingly chose to move to.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2017 11.29am)


Nothing bitter here at all. I'm just sad to see many of my friends not knowing what's going to happen to their country and the precarious future of their teenage children. The only 'bitter' people seem to be those who voted to leave and now can't stomach the reality. The honeymoon period of the vote to leave is long gone.

As regards to 'buggering off', well I took advantage of being a European citizen, a privilege everyone in the UK still has.

With regards to the country I now live in, who knows what it will be like in 5-10 years time. We'll be long gone by then. That's the beauty of the EU, you can move around at will and pick where you want to live. Get bored or want a change, move again. We've done it with a young family, so that old chestnut isn't any excuse at all. It all depends if you've got a closed mind or an open mind.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Nov 17 12.00pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle


Maybe you've been swayed by Russian bots.

In other news Eurozone confidence at 17 year high and growth in Q4 now expected to beat initial forecasts.

UK very much looking like the sick man of Europe.

Austerity and Brexit mishandling combining to erode living standards and leave us trailing in the dust of the world economy. Sad.

I've been anti EU since the nineties.....bots indeed. Still listening to excuses for votes that go against your politics it appears.

The EU is a disaster zone but please please move to it if you believe the future is there.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2017 12.00pm)

 


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