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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Nov 23 8.43pm
Originally posted by becky But frequently because they have destroyed their passports and identifying documents just before they arrive, making it impossible to know where to send them back to... There must be a way to overcome this. They cannot book or board flights without documentation so this can only happen on board the aircraft or on arrival before immigration. With the availability of face recognition software and the records available at the point of departure it must be possible to pair the two. There probably needs to be some changes to the law, maybe even international law, but there must be a way. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 18 Nov 23 8.43pm

Originally posted by becky

But frequently because they have destroyed their passports and identifying documents just before they arrive, making it impossible to know where to send them back to...

There must be a way to overcome this. They cannot book or board flights without documentation so this can only happen on board the aircraft or on arrival before immigration.

With the availability of face recognition software and the records available at the point of departure it must be possible to pair the two. There probably needs to be some changes to the law, maybe even international law, but there must be a way.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Nov 23 9.03pm
UN shelter hit by Israeli munitions. Scores injured and killed. Not an isolated incident. I find it repugnant that also Palestinians , now deprived of food and water, are now being ordered to travel to the south. And the West just watches and sends more arms. I disengage, I turn the page.
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UN shelter hit by Israeli munitions. Scores injured and killed. Not an isolated incident. I find it repugnant that also Palestinians , now deprived of food and water, are now being ordered to travel to the south. And the West just watches and sends more arms.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Nov 23 9.29pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly UN shelter hit by Israeli munitions. Scores injured and killed. Not an isolated incident. I find it repugnant that also Palestinians , now deprived of food and water, are now being ordered to travel to the south. And the West just watches and sends more arms. Do you also find it repugnant that a former Home Secretary described those who protested about this as taking part in “hate marches” and that some here defended and agreed with her? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 18 Nov 23 9.29pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Do you also find it repugnant that a former Home Secretary described those who protested about this as taking part in “hate marches” and that some here defended and agreed with her?

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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 18 Nov 23 9.30pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle There must be a way to overcome this. They cannot book or board flights without documentation so this can only happen on board the aircraft or on arrival before immigration. With the availability of face recognition software and the records available at the point of departure it must be possible to pair the two. There probably needs to be some changes to the law, maybe even international law, but there must be a way. There are already cases of facial recognition ‘getting it wrong’, particularly with dark faces. In addition you are assuming that everyone who crosses the channel had a passport at some stage of their journey-the whole process could be carried out without taking an ‘official route’. It’s a nice idea to use facial recognition but it would just mean the legal profession would have another multi appeal process to milk. A better way would be to use DNA but that would need a global standard being adhered to; unlikely in our lifetime and again a civil liberties nightmare. hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There must be a way to overcome this. They cannot book or board flights without documentation so this can only happen on board the aircraft or on arrival before immigration.

There are already cases of facial recognition ‘getting it wrong’, particularly with dark faces. In addition you are assuming that everyone who crosses the channel had a passport at some stage of their journey-the whole process could be carried out without taking an ‘official route’.
It’s a nice idea to use facial recognition but it would just mean the legal profession would have another multi appeal process to milk.
A better way would be to use DNA but that would need a global standard being adhered to; unlikely in our lifetime and again a civil liberties nightmare.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Nov 23 10.07pm
Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines There are already cases of facial recognition ‘getting it wrong’, particularly with dark faces. In addition you are assuming that everyone who crosses the channel had a passport at some stage of their journey-the whole process could be carried out without taking an ‘official route’. It’s a nice idea to use facial recognition but it would just mean the legal profession would have another multi appeal process to milk. A better way would be to use DNA but that would need a global standard being adhered to; unlikely in our lifetime and again a civil liberties nightmare. My understanding is that it is a strategy adopted by those arriving on aircraft, not boats, who won’t need documents anyway. It wouldn’t just be facial recognition. Their clothes and personal belongings could be used as supporting evidence. They cannot dump them down the toilet and walk naked into immigration undetected. CCTV could trace them back and find their stuff, which could then be DNA verified. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 18 Nov 23 10.07pm

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

My understanding is that it is a strategy adopted by those arriving on aircraft, not boats, who won’t need documents anyway. It wouldn’t just be facial recognition. Their clothes and personal belongings could be used as supporting evidence. They cannot dump them down the toilet and walk naked into immigration undetected. CCTV could trace them back and find their stuff, which could then be DNA verified.

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Teddy Eagle 18 Nov 23 10.23pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle My understanding is that it is a strategy adopted by those arriving on aircraft, not boats, who won’t need documents anyway. It wouldn’t just be facial recognition. Their clothes and personal belongings could be used as supporting evidence. They cannot dump them down the toilet and walk naked into immigration undetected. CCTV could trace them back and find their stuff, which could then be DNA verified. Won't happen for a while. [Link]
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18 Nov 23 10.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Won't happen for a while.

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Badger11 Beckenham 19 Nov 23 9.15am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle There must be a way to overcome this. They cannot book or board flights without documentation so this can only happen on board the aircraft or on arrival before immigration. With the availability of face recognition software and the records available at the point of departure it must be possible to pair the two. There probably needs to be some changes to the law, maybe even international law, but there must be a way. One way would be to take fingerprints at check in linked to their id. So if they arrived at a UK airport a simple check would be sufficient to identify who they claim to be and what flight they arrived on. The airlines and the do gooders would resist however it doesn't bother me. When you fly to the states they take your fingers prints it's no big deal. It wouldn't solve the boat people problem though. One more point
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Beckenham 19 Nov 23 9.15am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There must be a way to overcome this. They cannot book or board flights without documentation so this can only happen on board the aircraft or on arrival before immigration.

One way would be to take fingerprints at check in linked to their id. So if they arrived at a UK airport a simple check would be sufficient to identify who they claim to be and what flight they arrived on.

The airlines and the do gooders would resist however it doesn't bother me. When you fly to the states they take your fingers prints it's no big deal.

It wouldn't solve the boat people problem though.

One more point

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 19 Nov 23 9.32am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Do you also find it repugnant that a former Home Secretary described those who protested about this as taking part in “hate marches” and that some here defended and agreed with her? The form of protest it always the issue. The right to peaceful protest is enshrined in UK liberties. What i also find repugnant is the way the UK Government has systematically eroded people's right to protest, on the back the behaviour of those idiots from "Just stop oil". As an aside, I marched with Palestinians calling for a ceasefire in a Welsh town yesterday. All good-natured, and garnered a lot of support and publicity. Meanwhile, back in Palestine, the slaughter and destruction continues. "The World Health Organization (WHO) has described al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City as a "death zone" after a visit to the complex. A joint UN team led by the WHO assessed the hospital for one hour following its occupation and evacuation by the Israeli military. The team said they saw evidence of shelling and gunfire and observed a mass grave at the hospital's entrance. They were told it held the remains of 80 people." (BBC website) I disengage, I turn the page.
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in a hidey-hole 19 Nov 23 9.32am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you also find it repugnant that a former Home Secretary described those who protested about this as taking part in “hate marches” and that some here defended and agreed with her?

The form of protest it always the issue. The right to peaceful protest is enshrined in UK liberties. What i also find repugnant is the way the UK Government has systematically eroded people's right to protest, on the back the behaviour of those idiots from "Just stop oil".
As an aside, I marched with Palestinians calling for a ceasefire in a Welsh town yesterday. All good-natured, and garnered a lot of support and publicity.

Meanwhile, back in Palestine, the slaughter and destruction continues.

"The World Health Organization (WHO) has described al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City as a "death zone" after a visit to the complex.

A joint UN team led by the WHO assessed the hospital for one hour following its occupation and evacuation by the Israeli military.

The team said they saw evidence of shelling and gunfire and observed a mass grave at the hospital's entrance.

They were told it held the remains of 80 people." (BBC website)

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 23 10.35am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Won't happen for a while. [Link] Doesn’t make sense to me. There must be a way of using the technology in a way which doesn’t threatened the rights of anyone. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 23 10.35am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Won't happen for a while.

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Doesn’t make sense to me. There must be a way of using the technology in a way which doesn’t threatened the rights of anyone.

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Teddy Eagle 19 Nov 23 10.43am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Doesn’t make sense to me. There must be a way of using the technology in a way which doesn’t threatened the rights of anyone. I'm not sure quite how it impinges on anyone's rights anyway. Casinos use facial recognition technology.
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Teddy Eagle

19 Nov 23 10.43am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Doesn’t make sense to me. There must be a way of using the technology in a way which doesn’t threatened the rights of anyone.

I'm not sure quite how it impinges on anyone's rights anyway.
Casinos use facial recognition technology.

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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 19 Nov 23 10.43am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Doesn’t make sense to me. There must be a way of using the technology in a way which doesn’t threatened the rights of anyone. Nope. hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.
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Sussex 19 Nov 23 10.43am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Doesn’t make sense to me. There must be a way of using the technology in a way which doesn’t threatened the rights of anyone.

Nope.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 23 10.43am
Originally posted by Badger11 One way would be to take fingerprints at check in linked to their id. So if they arrived at a UK airport a simple check would be sufficient to identify who they claim to be and what flight they arrived on. The airlines and the do gooders would resist however it doesn't bother me. When you fly to the states they take your fingers prints it's no big deal. It wouldn't solve the boat people problem though. I don’t recall having my fingerprints taken when entering the USA but having a photo taken is now quite usual in many circumstances. Retina ID is used on passports. There must be a way of capturing the details of a passport on check in which can then be linked back to an individual. CCTV at the arrival airport can trace someone back to which aircraft they used. Our police already use facial recognition technology. It surely just demands some imagination. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 23 10.43am

Originally posted by Badger11

The airlines and the do gooders would resist however it doesn't bother me. When you fly to the states they take your fingers prints it's no big deal.

It wouldn't solve the boat people problem though.

I don’t recall having my fingerprints taken when entering the USA but having a photo taken is now quite usual in many circumstances. Retina ID is used on passports. There must be a way of capturing the details of a passport on check in which can then be linked back to an individual. CCTV at the arrival airport can trace someone back to which aircraft they used. Our police already use facial recognition technology. It surely just demands some imagination.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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