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elgrande bedford 12 Nov 17 10.23pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Costs for the consumer going up and choices going down it very much sounds like. But wages for joe public could well rise,and i dont see why choices should go down,we will still be trading with other countries. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 12 Nov 17 10.23pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Costs for the consumer going up and choices going down it very much sounds like.

But wages for joe public could well rise,and i dont see why choices should go down,we will still be trading with other countries.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Kermit8 Hevon 12 Nov 17 10.28pm
Originally posted by elgrande But wages for joe public could well rise,and i dont see why choices should go down,we will still be trading with other countries. Well, it is a truism that the nearer you trade the cheaper the expense. If...we have a no deal Brexit then it will take years to sort out the mess trade wise with our European friends so we will have to import from further afield. Thus, whilst costs to import will definitely go up then I also suspect the variety will also diminish because of those said costs. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 12 Nov 17 10.28pm

Originally posted by elgrande

But wages for joe public could well rise,and i dont see why choices should go down,we will still be trading with other countries.

Well, it is a truism that the nearer you trade the cheaper the expense. If...we have a no deal Brexit then it will take years to sort out the mess trade wise with our European friends so we will have to import from further afield.

Thus, whilst costs to import will definitely go up then I also suspect the variety will also diminish because of those said costs.

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Kermit8 Hevon 12 Nov 17 10.32pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Nothing to do with Brexit. It's market forces. If you can't get workers you need to make our jobs more attractive. Non-sense. Their income (the farmers) will be going down after Brexit and significantly for a fair few it is being reported because of predicted labour shortages yet you want them to pay more to attract British workers who aren't interested even at the £10-£12 an hour many agricultural farms pay for their pickers now. Plus, it's seasonal work so who will pay them over Xmas through to Spring? It has everything to do with Brexit. Edited by Kermit8 (12 Nov 2017 10.34pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 12 Nov 17 10.32pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Nothing to do with Brexit. It's market forces. If you can't get workers you need to make our jobs more attractive.

Non-sense. Their income (the farmers) will be going down after Brexit and significantly for a fair few it is being reported because of predicted labour shortages yet you want them to pay more to attract British workers who aren't interested even at the £10-£12 an hour many agricultural farms pay for their pickers now.

Plus, it's seasonal work so who will pay them over Xmas through to Spring?

It has everything to do with Brexit.

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Nov 2017 10.34pm)

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simlaboy coulsdon 12 Nov 17 10.37pm
I’m sure a majority of farmers voted Leave ,
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coulsdon 12 Nov 17 10.37pm

I’m sure a majority of farmers voted Leave ,

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Kermit8 Hevon 12 Nov 17 10.40pm
Originally posted by simlaboy I’m sure a majority of farmers voted Leave , I think you are correct but here I am specifically focused on agricultural farmers not all inclusive with cattle and suchlike as the former depend on migrant and temporary EU workers much more than the others. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 12 Nov 17 10.40pm

Originally posted by simlaboy

I’m sure a majority of farmers voted Leave ,

I think you are correct but here I am specifically focused on agricultural farmers not all inclusive with cattle and suchlike as the former depend on migrant and temporary EU workers much more than the others.

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Kermit8 Hevon 12 Nov 17 10.42pm
yes here we go " The latest online poll shows that of 1,400 active farmer respondents, 54 per cent voted to leave and 44 per cent voted to remain. 28 per cent thought they would be better off as a result of Brexit and 41 per cent thought they would be worse off (21 per cent about the same). Even among those who voted to leave, there has been a decline in optimism. Horticulture was the only sector in which more farmers voted to remain than leave. The sector is highly dependent on migrant labour from the EU." Some dude doing research Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 12 Nov 17 10.42pm

yes here we go

" The latest online poll shows that of 1,400 active farmer respondents, 54 per cent voted to leave and 44 per cent voted to remain. 28 per cent thought they would be better off as a result of Brexit and 41 per cent thought they would be worse off (21 per cent about the same). Even among those who voted to leave, there has been a decline in optimism.

Horticulture was the only sector in which more farmers voted to remain than leave. The sector is highly dependent on migrant labour from the EU."

Some dude doing research

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Nov 17 10.43pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Non-sense. Their income (the farmers) will be going down after Brexit and significantly for a fair few it is being reported because of predicted labour shortages yet you want them to pay more to attract British workers who aren't interested even at the £10-£12 an hour many agricultural farms pay for their pickers now. Plus, it's seasonal work so who will pay them over Xmas through to Spring? It has everything to do with Brexit. Edited by Kermit8 (12 Nov 2017 10.34pm) Correct. A bit like getting a job at Marks & Spencer's or working over the holiday period at The Post Office Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Nov 17 10.43pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Plus, it's seasonal work so who will pay them over Xmas through to Spring?

It has everything to do with Brexit.

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Nov 2017 10.34pm)

Correct. A bit like getting a job at Marks & Spencer's or working over the holiday period at The Post Office

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simlaboy coulsdon 12 Nov 17 10.49pm
Think you’re find the temporary EU workforce are exploited by the Labour agencies engaged by the farmers , the farmers don’t employed them directly ,they just make payments over to the agency , end of their responsibility, no H&S, welfare facilities and biggest bonus no interference from HMRC
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coulsdon 12 Nov 17 10.49pm

Think you’re find the temporary EU workforce are exploited by the Labour agencies engaged by the farmers , the farmers don’t employed them directly ,they just make payments over to the agency , end of their responsibility, no H&S, welfare facilities and biggest bonus no interference from HMRC

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simlaboy coulsdon 12 Nov 17 10.51pm
Nice piece of research BTW, obviously paid attention at Kensington Avenue
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coulsdon 12 Nov 17 10.51pm

Nice piece of research BTW, obviously paid attention at Kensington Avenue

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.TUX. 13 Nov 17 6.04am
Originally posted by elgrande Raise them enough so families can afford to do them,i know farmers have used foreign labour for years,and its work very well. But we need to pay enough so families can do them,and the supermarkets will have to pay more for their produce,ideal time with brexit. And on a side note,I notice HSBC have now said that it won't be as bad as they first forecast. Agreed, but it won't happen due to the impact on inflation. Since the end of Bretton Woods in 1971, govts (or those in power) have been fighting the inflationary forces that they themselves have deliberately caused to feather the nests of the elite. Wealth confiscation through globalisation, wage suppression and ever-increasing taxes being the tools of choice which limit the amount of income available to the masses. In general, nan and gramps could pretty much live happily on one wage. Today they'd need two. This is mainly due to the continual, and deliberate, devaluation of our currency since '71. Buy Litecoin.
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13 Nov 17 6.04am

Originally posted by elgrande

Raise them enough so families can afford to do them,i know farmers have used foreign labour for years,and its work very well.
But we need to pay enough so families can do them,and the supermarkets will have to pay more for their produce,ideal time with brexit.

And on a side note,I notice HSBC have now said that it won't be as bad as they first forecast.

Agreed, but it won't happen due to the impact on inflation.
Since the end of Bretton Woods in 1971, govts (or those in power) have been fighting the inflationary forces that they themselves have deliberately caused to feather the nests of the elite.
Wealth confiscation through globalisation, wage suppression and ever-increasing taxes being the tools of choice which limit the amount of income available to the masses.
In general, nan and gramps could pretty much live happily on one wage. Today they'd need two. This is mainly due to the continual, and deliberate, devaluation of our currency since '71.

Buy Litecoin.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 13 Nov 17 8.28am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Non-sense. Their income (the farmers) will be going down after Brexit and significantly for a fair few it is being reported because of predicted labour shortages yet you want them to pay more to attract British workers who aren't interested even at the £10-£12 an hour many agricultural farms pay for their pickers now. Plus, it's seasonal work so who will pay them over Xmas through to Spring? It has everything to do with Brexit. Edited by Kermit8 (12 Nov 2017 10.34pm) Nonsense, it's just the usual torrent of misinformation, scaremongering, end of the world scenarios, constantly churned out by the Remain at all costs brigade. Left wingers becoming the 'champions' of farmers whom they despise as fox-hunting toffs most of the time, champions of businesses whom they normally see as the root of all capitalist evil - now they are worried about their profits suffering! We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 13 Nov 17 8.28am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Plus, it's seasonal work so who will pay them over Xmas through to Spring?

It has everything to do with Brexit.

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Nov 2017 10.34pm)

Nonsense, it's just the usual torrent of misinformation, scaremongering, end of the world scenarios, constantly churned out by the Remain at all costs brigade. Left wingers becoming the 'champions' of farmers whom they despise as fox-hunting toffs most of the time, champions of businesses whom they normally see as the root of all capitalist evil - now they are worried about their profits suffering!

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 13 Nov 17 12.28pm
In Lincolnshire there's loads of tracksuit wearing, white British youngsters complaining about immigration and lack of jobs with a can of lager on the high street when plenty of eu immigrants live 4 to a room in 3 bedroom houses. There's one solution right there. No doubt the same in Gillingham or Maidstone etc. COYP
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Caterham 13 Nov 17 12.28pm

In Lincolnshire there's loads of tracksuit wearing, white British youngsters complaining about immigration and lack of jobs with a can of lager on the high street when plenty of eu immigrants live 4 to a room in 3 bedroom houses. There's one solution right there. No doubt the same in Gillingham or Maidstone etc.

COYP

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