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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 02 Mar 22 6.34pm Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

That 40 mile column of troops and armour that was heading for Kyiv has allegedly ran out of fuel & is now just sat there doing nothing, the Russian military now have the delightful prospect of refuelling that 40 mile s*** show & getting it moving again, also according to some US Military analysts (so probably nonsense) 70% of Russian Military in Ukraine is about to or has ran out of food & fuel.

I can see alot of Russian military planners and high ranking officials disappearing soon.

I get why NATO has been reluctant to do something like a no fly zone over Ukraine because of the Nuclear threat however should Russia decide to go after a NATO country that nuclear threat still exists it doesnt make much of a difference re. all out Nuclear war.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 22 7.23pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Overcrowded world. The underdeveloped world is looking such a good prospect that millions upon millions leave for Europe all the time. What a success story.

It's still underdeveloped isn't it and relatively poorer, much so in many places affected by war, drought and famine.

If we want to see the desire for migration decreased then we need to ensure there are strong motives not to do so. Fear is one of the strongest motives, but it's also one of the most dangerous because it can be reversed and lead to conflict. Co-operation and collaboration are both safer and more effective.

We need to learn to appreciate the benefits of globalisation and realise that ultimately it enriches the whole world. Us included.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Mar 22 7.37pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

That 40 mile column of troops and armour that was heading for Kyiv has allegedly ran out of fuel & is now just sat there doing nothing, the Russian military now have the delightful prospect of refuelling that 40 mile s*** show & getting it moving again, also according to some US Military analysts (so probably nonsense) 70% of Russian Military in Ukraine is about to or has ran out of food & fuel.

I can see alot of Russian military planners and high ranking officials disappearing soon.

I get why NATO has been reluctant to do something like a no fly zone over Ukraine because of the Nuclear threat however should Russia decide to go after a NATO country that nuclear threat still exists it doesnt make much of a difference re. all out Nuclear war.

I suspect the soldier's aren't exactly delighted at what's going on and are perhaps dragging their heels somewhat. I just don't see the average Russian having any emotional investment in this. Does it sound like a war anyone would want to fight. Conversely, the Ukrainians are likely highly motivated. Not a good mixture for a young Russian soldier. I presume they see the same type of stories we do in the press.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 22 7.46pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

That 40 mile column of troops and armour that was heading for Kyiv has allegedly ran out of fuel & is now just sat there doing nothing, the Russian military now have the delightful prospect of refuelling that 40 mile s*** show & getting it moving again, also according to some US Military analysts (so probably nonsense) 70% of Russian Military in Ukraine is about to or has ran out of food & fuel.

I can see alot of Russian military planners and high ranking officials disappearing soon.

I get why NATO has been reluctant to do something like a no fly zone over Ukraine because of the Nuclear threat however should Russia decide to go after a NATO country that nuclear threat still exists it doesnt make much of a difference re. all out Nuclear war.

With talks due to start again tomorrow my instinct is that it's more likely to be a strategic pause. A sword of Damocles swinging over the heads of the Ukrainian negotiating team.

I cannot believe with the length of time they were getting prepared for this that something as fundamental as supplies would be failing so soon.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Mar 22 7.57pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

With talks due to start again tomorrow my instinct is that it's more likely to be a strategic pause. A sword of Damocles swinging over the heads of the Ukrainian negotiating team.

I cannot believe with the length of time they were getting prepared for this that something as fundamental as supplies would be failing so soon.

They forgot their pin number and the automatic pumps won't take cash. The bank is posting a replacement card and new pin number separately.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 02 Mar 22 8.12pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think that's an excellent post.

I think that while we all come down to positions on topics, it's also true that no position is perfect and criticisms of them should be accepted discourse in a free society worthy of the name.

Brand, would obviously disagree with me in certain areas. However, I'm in that old school that respects honesty regardless of what side it's on. I regard Brand highly as both a truth seeker and someone committed to ethics.

Use to teach his articles during pastoral mornings as excellent and amusing English usage.

Yes, this is bang on in my view. There's no denying a tribal element to people (though that can manifest itself in all manner of ways, as a cursory glance of the world and indeed current events attests to), but significant problems comes through the tendency to - within this - prefer or 'go with' bad ideas from those we're in general alignment with and rejecting good ideas elsewhere. As much as we may hate it, much of life is a series of compromises.

Brand doesn't get much love on here it seems, and I get his reputation (or 'character'), but despite his faults he's certainly not shy of being open to others views and seeing faults in his own. His attitudes could be accused of being a bit 'peace and love' and seeing maybe too much good in people, but in an age of cynicism and echo chambers, people like him have actually honed a talent and type of social intelligence that isn't all that common now.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 02 Mar 22 8.16pm

Oleksandr Usyk on defending Ukraine against Russian invasion

Quote Heavyweight champion Oleksandr Usyk says his "country and honour" are more important than any fight in the ring as he prepares to defend Ukraine's capital Kyiv against invading Russian forces.

The 35-year-old, who beat Britain's Anthony Joshua in September to become the unified heavyweight champion, has enlisted in Ukraine's military.

"There is no fear, absolutely no fear," he told CNN.

"There's just bafflement - how could this be in the 21st century?"

Usyk, who was speaking via video call and an interpreter from a basement in Kyiv, said he did not know if there was any chance of him fulfilling a planned May rematch with Joshua.

"I really don't know when I'm going to be stepping back in the ring," he said.

"My country and my honour are more important to me than a championship belt."

 

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Grumbles 02 Mar 22 8.25pm Send a Private Message to Grumbles Add Grumbles as a friend

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

That 40 mile column of troops and armour that was heading for Kyiv has allegedly ran out of fuel & is now just sat there doing nothing, the Russian military now have the delightful prospect of refuelling that 40 mile s*** show & getting it moving again, also according to some US Military analysts (so probably nonsense) 70% of Russian Military in Ukraine is about to or has ran out of food & fuel.

I can see alot of Russian military planners and high ranking officials disappearing soon.

I get why NATO has been reluctant to do something like a no fly zone over Ukraine because of the Nuclear threat however should Russia decide to go after a NATO country that nuclear threat still exists it doesnt make much of a difference re. all out Nuclear war.

Out of all posters your have been more factual rather than opinion.

TBH, i think it will spiral into a European war.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 02 Mar 22 8.28pm


If Putin had stepped down say a year back he would have been remembered as a formidable and savvy leader. History would've, to some extent, ironed out the evils. He appears though, to have thrown all of the away to the detriment of his people and devastation of his neighbours. Did he expect cheering crowds as the tanks rolled in? If he was more strategic, he could have taken Donbas and faced fewer repercussions. Putin has bought into his very own Afghanistan and at best will become a hated occupier. Increasingly detached from the lives and priorities of his people, this is the result.

 

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W12 02 Mar 22 9.21pm

Yet again:

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BlueJay Flag UK 02 Mar 22 9.30pm

Originally posted by W12

Yet again:

At least you're alive and well and able to express such free speech. Several innocent citizens in Ukraine unfortunately cannot say the same now, and of course if you were in Russia, you'd likely be arrested and caged for protesting (along with thousands of others right now, including children) if your particular view was reversed and critical of their country. Or maybe falling off a balcony or poisoned if you amped up the volume too much. Still, that's a 'strong leader' for you I guess .

Edited by BlueJay (02 Mar 2022 9.30pm)

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 22 9.33pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think the problem with that definition is the use of 'far right'. Anyone who knows the history of fascism knows that it started on the left. Fascism is best summed up as the 'bundle of sticks'....it's nationalism/statism mixed with socialism. Obviously in the modern day nationalism is no longer associated with the mainstream left...which is literally anti nationalist. Anyway like all movements Fascism comes in different versions.

Yes, we don't want a wider war when a nuclear exchange could literally kill all of us in the developed world.

What is happening is Cold War 2....Putin might go or he might not, but even if he does it won't change the general regime.

A problem with how the media represents things is that Russia isn't alone on the world stage....it has the BRIC countries (Brazil, Russia, India and China) and this idea that it can't continue just ignores all that....What is happening is literally disastrous for world cohesion.

The war drums need to go quieter and negotiations with Russia to build an acceptable peace for all parties should be the governmental and media focus.

But at the moment it's like some kind of cartoon.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Mar 2022 3.12pm)

I think the problem is actually that that isn't true. It's a favourite myth of the right to try to avoid being found guilty by association. Nothing I have ever read suggests that 20th century fascism "started on the left". It had elements of capitalism and socialism but was really neither. It might take its name from Roman times, but what's in a name?

Try reading this:-

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This is an extract:-

"The first fascist movements arose in the last years of World War I. They were a form of radical nationalism carrying a promise of national rebirth; they blamed liberalism, socialism, and materialism for the decadence they perceived in society and culture, and they expressed an appreciation for violence and the role of leadership and willpower in shaping society.

One significant fascist economic belief was that prosperity would naturally follow once the nation has achieved a cultural and spiritual re-awakening".

Familiar sentiments? You can read things like this on Gab. Fascism might not be called fascism any more, but it still lurks in our politics.

Whether Putin is a truly fascist is not the point. He certainly carries some of its baggage, and a lot more besides.

Whilst removing Putin won't change the way Russia operates immediately it should make a massive difference pretty quickly. Much of what is being done is not in Russia's ultimate interests. It's a personal crusade by Putin.

 


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