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Crystal_Clear Belfast 21 Dec 20 12.26pm
Yep, the current scenario cannot go on any longer. 1. The manager's contract expires at the end of the season. He will be 74 at the start of next season. Will he realistically carry on again ? He is already the oldest ever top flight manager when he reached 71. 2. Our squad is really starting to age now. Players are getting into their 30's rather than reaching 30 now. That's without all those out of contract. The club are in situation where things simply can't carry on. I would expect us to survive again this season, and maybe reach mid table status (10-12). But come the summer we will be in all sorts of problems if things are sorted out soon. Otherwise we will be a typical Palace situation of searching for a new manager in the summer, then trying to get new players in (which we are not particularly great in sorting quickly).
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Crystal_Clear

Belfast 21 Dec 20 12.26pm

Yep, the current scenario cannot go on any longer.

1. The manager's contract expires at the end of the season. He will be 74 at the start of next season. Will he realistically carry on again ? He is already the oldest ever top flight manager when he reached 71.

2. Our squad is really starting to age now. Players are getting into their 30's rather than reaching 30 now. That's without all those out of contract.

The club are in situation where things simply can't carry on.

I would expect us to survive again this season, and maybe reach mid table status (10-12). But come the summer we will be in all sorts of problems if things are sorted out soon.

Otherwise we will be a typical Palace situation of searching for a new manager in the summer, then trying to get new players in (which we are not particularly great in sorting quickly).

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Painter Croydon 21 Dec 20 7.34pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Perhaps this should be a "Steve Out" thread rather than the manager as it's fairly obvious that we will never be anything other than a treading water club whilst he is in charge of the club and it's purse strings If you look from where we were, when he took over to where we are now. We have gone from a yoyo club to a "treading water" club, which is a vast improvement, than any period of 52 years supporting. Why would any sensible minded person, want him out?
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Painter

Croydon 21 Dec 20 7.34pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Perhaps this should be a "Steve Out" thread rather than the manager as it's fairly obvious that we will never be anything other than a treading water club whilst he is in charge of the club and it's purse strings

If you look from where we were, when he took over to where we are now. We have gone from a yoyo club to a "treading water" club, which is a vast improvement, than any period of 52 years supporting.
Why would any sensible minded person, want him out?

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madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 21 Dec 20 9.42pm
Originally posted by NEILLO As with all the ' Roy Out ' threads and sentiments, it all boils down to this ; 1. The Club has little short term ambition other than staying in the Premier League. 2. The Club has been underinvesting in the squad in comparison to the competition. 3. Hodgson's methods have been proven to achieve PL safety. So if I was in Steve Parish's shoes, I would have little or no appetite to change the manager given that he delivers on #1. and makes do with #2 and #3 is the compromise. I can't make a case for Roy providing edge of the seat thrilling football. But I can make one for the pragmatic approach he employs that keeps Palace in the Premier League and him in a job. I agree with all of this. I'd like to add though, that I do wonder if the club are preparing for his inevitable retirement. There should be s predecessor put in place or at least a coaching team in place to take over from him now, so there's minimal upheaval when he does leave. La la la your mum
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SE25 / Ibiza 21 Dec 20 9.42pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

As with all the ' Roy Out ' threads and sentiments, it all boils down to this ;

1. The Club has little short term ambition other than staying in the Premier League.

2. The Club has been underinvesting in the squad in comparison to the competition.

3. Hodgson's methods have been proven to achieve PL safety.

So if I was in Steve Parish's shoes, I would have little or no appetite to change the manager given that he delivers on #1. and makes do with #2 and #3 is the compromise.

I can't make a case for Roy providing edge of the seat thrilling football. But I can make one for the pragmatic approach he employs that keeps Palace in the Premier League and him in a job.

I agree with all of this. I'd like to add though, that I do wonder if the club are preparing for his inevitable retirement. There should be s predecessor put in place or at least a coaching team in place to take over from him now, so there's minimal upheaval when he does leave.

La la la your mum

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Eaglecoops CR3 21 Dec 20 10.03pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 I agree with all of this. I'd like to add though, that I do wonder if the club are preparing for his inevitable retirement. There should be s predecessor put in place or at least a coaching team in place to take over from him now, so there's minimal upheaval when he does leave. Yeh, it’s Ray Lewington a mere youngster at 64.
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Eaglecoops

CR3 21 Dec 20 10.03pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Yeh, it’s Ray Lewington a mere youngster at 64.

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deleted9 21 Dec 20 10.18pm
Originally posted by Crystal_Clear Yep, the current scenario cannot go on any longer. 1. The manager's contract expires at the end of the season. He will be 74 at the start of next season. Will he realistically carry on again ? He is already the oldest ever top flight manager when he reached 71. 2. Our squad is really starting to age now. Players are getting into their 30's rather than reaching 30 now. That's without all those out of contract. The club are in situation where things simply can't carry on. I would expect us to survive again this season, and maybe reach mid table status (10-12). But come the summer we will be in all sorts of problems if things are sorted out soon. Otherwise we will be a typical Palace situation of searching for a new manager in the summer, then trying to get new players in (which we are not particularly great in sorting quickly). This is interesting however, Roy can’t do anything about his age and the transition of changing an old squad to a younger one isn’t going to happen overnight. Also, why do so many people make the assumption that if our average squad age is drastically reduced, this is going to equate to a sudden upturn in points? Experience counts for a lot.
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21 Dec 20 10.18pm

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

Yep, the current scenario cannot go on any longer.

2. Our squad is really starting to age now. Players are getting into their 30's rather than reaching 30 now. That's without all those out of contract.

The club are in situation where things simply can't carry on.

I would expect us to survive again this season, and maybe reach mid table status (10-12). But come the summer we will be in all sorts of problems if things are sorted out soon.

Otherwise we will be a typical Palace situation of searching for a new manager in the summer, then trying to get new players in (which we are not particularly great in sorting quickly).

This is interesting however, Roy can’t do anything about his age and the transition of changing an old squad to a younger one isn’t going to happen overnight.

Also, why do so many people make the assumption that if our average squad age is drastically reduced, this is going to equate to a sudden upturn in points? Experience counts for a lot.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 22 Dec 20 9.48am
Originally posted by alexdyoung87 This is interesting however, Roy can’t do anything about his age and the transition of changing an old squad to a younger one isn’t going to happen overnight. Also, why do so many people make the assumption that if our average squad age is drastically reduced, this is going to equate to a sudden upturn in points? Experience counts for a lot. There is no point writing good honest common sense on here, they just keep on coming back with utter trash. It is quite obvious our squad is good enough this season, the only issues we will have is when our manager leaves and the funds that will be available for the new man.
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Cornwall 22 Dec 20 9.48am

Originally posted by alexdyoung87

This is interesting however, Roy can’t do anything about his age and the transition of changing an old squad to a younger one isn’t going to happen overnight.

Also, why do so many people make the assumption that if our average squad age is drastically reduced, this is going to equate to a sudden upturn in points? Experience counts for a lot.

There is no point writing good honest common sense on here, they just keep on coming back with utter trash.
It is quite obvious our squad is good enough this season, the only issues we will have is when our manager leaves and the funds that will be available for the new man.

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Eaglecoops CR3 22 Dec 20 9.57am
Originally posted by alexdyoung87 This is interesting however, Roy can’t do anything about his age and the transition of changing an old squad to a younger one isn’t going to happen overnight. Also, why do so many people make the assumption that if our average squad age is drastically reduced, this is going to equate to a sudden upturn in points? Experience counts for a lot. I’m afraid many of our defensive and midfield frailties arise through a lack of pace and pace is the unfortunate casualty of age. A blend of youth and experience is required, our balance of the two leans more toward the retirement home end of the spectrum.
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Eaglecoops

CR3 22 Dec 20 9.57am

Originally posted by alexdyoung87

This is interesting however, Roy can’t do anything about his age and the transition of changing an old squad to a younger one isn’t going to happen overnight.

Also, why do so many people make the assumption that if our average squad age is drastically reduced, this is going to equate to a sudden upturn in points? Experience counts for a lot.

I’m afraid many of our defensive and midfield frailties arise through a lack of pace and pace is the unfortunate casualty of age. A blend of youth and experience is required, our balance of the two leans more toward the retirement home end of the spectrum.

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 22 Dec 20 12.26pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops I’m afraid many of our defensive and midfield frailties arise through a lack of pace and pace is the unfortunate casualty of age. A blend of youth and experience is required, our balance of the two leans more toward the retirement home end of the spectrum. We all accept that, including the board hence the movement for Eze and Ferguson and the significant development of the Academy. If the right young players are available in January and the summer, I'm sure we will bring them in and ease out some of our geriatrics. Meanwhile let's get behind Roy and the team.
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Too far from Selhurst Park 22 Dec 20 12.26pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I’m afraid many of our defensive and midfield frailties arise through a lack of pace and pace is the unfortunate casualty of age. A blend of youth and experience is required, our balance of the two leans more toward the retirement home end of the spectrum.

We all accept that, including the board hence the movement for Eze and Ferguson and the significant development of the Academy. If the right young players are available in January and the summer, I'm sure we will bring them in and ease out some of our geriatrics.

Meanwhile let's get behind Roy and the team.

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Eaglecoops CR3 22 Dec 20 2.02pm
Originally posted by doombear We all accept that, including the board hence the movement for Eze and Ferguson and the significant development of the Academy. If the right young players are available in January and the summer, I'm sure we will bring them in and ease out some of our geriatrics. Meanwhile let's get behind Roy and the team. Have never stopped on match day. Had a few problems in between matches though! Ironically, I think we are now playing the best football since Roy has arrived and we have improved tactically, so I’ve definitely cut back on criticism since the debacle of the Chelsea and Brighton performances. The cracks are there for all to see however and we are going to need some highly flexible filler very soon.
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Eaglecoops

CR3 22 Dec 20 2.02pm

Originally posted by doombear

Meanwhile let's get behind Roy and the team.

Have never stopped on match day. Had a few problems in between matches though!

Ironically, I think we are now playing the best football since Roy has arrived and we have improved tactically, so I’ve definitely cut back on criticism since the debacle of the Chelsea and Brighton performances. The cracks are there for all to see however and we are going to need some highly flexible filler very soon.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Dec 20 2.11pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Have never stopped on match day. Had a few problems in between matches though! Ironically, I think we are now playing the best football since Roy has arrived and we have improved tactically, so I’ve definitely cut back on criticism since the debacle of the Chelsea and Brighton performances. The cracks are there for all to see however and we are going to need some highly flexible filler very soon. Sadly I am of the opinion that we are about to reach the head of the snake with little prospect of climbing up the ladder. Our 'Dad's Army' squad are going to be found wanting as the season progresses.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Dec 20 2.11pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Have never stopped on match day. Had a few problems in between matches though!

Sadly I am of the opinion that we are about to reach the head of the snake with little prospect of climbing up the ladder.
Our 'Dad's Army' squad are going to be found wanting as the season progresses.

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big stu milton keynes 22 Dec 20 4.31pm
Originally posted by Willo Sadly I am of the opinion that we are about to reach the head of the snake with little prospect of climbing up the ladder. Our 'Dad's Army' squad are going to be found wanting as the season progresses. totally agree with this, as im seeing it already! we only play down the left side of the pitch! wont take long at all
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milton keynes 22 Dec 20 4.31pm

Originally posted by Willo

totally agree with this, as im seeing it already! we only play down the left side of the pitch! wont take long at all

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TheBigToePunt 22 Dec 20 4.45pm
Of course we need to replace a few older players with a few younger ones, but that's a long term, gradual process. Eze and (hopefully) ferguson were a very good start, as was the promotion of mitchell. I don't want any more than three unproven players introduced in one year if possible, and all the while we can eek another season out of the older ones we should do so. It's evolution not revolution. If we can get a promising 20 year old centre back then that's great, but even better to have him learn from Cahill over a year or two as one is phased out by the other, rather than replaced. I'd certainly hope Ferguson is already picking the brains of Clyne and Ward, whilst also setting himself the target of overtaking them both. Roy is another matter. If he's fit and able then he can stay until he's 80 for all I care. He's a good coach and a good man. The players like him too, and they wouldn't suffer a fool.
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TheBigToePunt

22 Dec 20 4.45pm

Of course we need to replace a few older players with a few younger ones, but that's a long term, gradual process.

Eze and (hopefully) ferguson were a very good start, as was the promotion of mitchell. I don't want any more than three unproven players introduced in one year if possible, and all the while we can eek another season out of the older ones we should do so. It's evolution not revolution.

If we can get a promising 20 year old centre back then that's great, but even better to have him learn from Cahill over a year or two as one is phased out by the other, rather than replaced. I'd certainly hope Ferguson is already picking the brains of Clyne and Ward, whilst also setting himself the target of overtaking them both.

Roy is another matter. If he's fit and able then he can stay until he's 80 for all I care. He's a good coach and a good man. The players like him too, and they wouldn't suffer a fool.

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