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 Stirlingsays  24 May 21 6.08pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
People can make their own minds up about you being a member of an organisation that ‘ promotes a white nationalist ideology and aims to combat the "replacement and displacement" of white British people by migrants who "have no right to these lands". They support deportation of people of "migrant descent", and would offer financially-incentivised repatriation for "those of immigrant descent who have obtained British passports". Patriotic Alternative opposes all immigration unless one has a shared cultural and ethnic background or who can prove British ancestry Members of Patriotic Alternative have supported holocaust denial, political violence and the white genocide conspiracy theory. They have targeted the LGBT community as being a danger to young children. Patriotic Alternative opposes Black Lives Matter and have displayed White Lives Matter banners around the UK, including on the top of Mam Tor, a hill in Derbyshire.’ Deeply unpleasant individuals. Are you not reminded of your own hypocrisy?. You justified turning someone down from a job because of their race due to 'racial mix'. You're also on here supporting criminals in Bristol. I'd agree with roughly 80 percent of how you framed that cut and paste from the article..Like I'd agree with about 80 percent of PA ideas. ..I'm not aware of violence and I know they don't support it. I am aware of violence from BLM and Antifa supporters though....both of which you support.
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| Stirlingsays 24 May 21 6.10pm |
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What any of this has to do with the BBC though is beyond me. But Dan can't help himself.
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| DanH SW2 24 May 21 6.13pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Are you not reminded of your own hypocrisy?. You justified turning someone down from a job because of their race due to 'racial mix'. You're also on here supporting criminals in Bristol. I'd agree with roughly 80 percent of how you framed that cut and paste from the article..Like I'd agree with about 80 percent of PA ideas. ..I'm not aware of violence and I know they don't support it. I am aware of violence from BLM and Antifa supporters though....both of which you support. The job thing is bollocks and you know it. Still, people can make their own minds up about you being a member of a far right organisation.
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| Stirlingsays 24 May 21 6.18pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
The job thing is bollocks and you know it. Still, people can make their own minds up about you being a member of a far right organisation. It isn't bollocks at all, we have both your original statement and your justifications for race based job selection on Hol. You just want to sugar coat the racism you agree with. As for me being a member of PA....which you have stated several times now that isn't true. I haven't joined an organization since I left Ukip. Is that what we do now....just start making claims about people joining organizations. And again, none of this is even remotely connected to the BBC. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2021 6.22pm)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 24 May 21 7.06pm |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
So, NOT 200k people taken to court as said as fact by another poster . . . How the 'left' like to, er, manipulate facts to suit their own ends heyho. I think you are looking at 2 different stats 1. number of people in court for non payment between 150,000 to 200,000 depending on which year. 2. Your link about people choosing not to pay the licence my understanding is that this is people who have contacted the BBC to inform them. Not the same thing.
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| Stirlingsays 24 May 21 7.48pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I think you are looking at 2 different stats 1. number of people in court for non payment between 150,000 to 200,000 depending on which year. 2. Your link about people choosing not to pay the licence my understanding is that this is people who have contacted the BBC to inform them. Not the same thing. This guy, 'Chief Operating Officer Glyn Isherwood', completely ignores the reality that the BBC make it extremely difficult to opt out of the license fee. If this organisation was fairer, then that number would be millions higher....then the BBC might have to work harder to keep people onside. Instead they keep those numbers up by coercion and fear. Many people find themselves funding the BBC who really don't like how they operate. Indeed, I was funding them for many years while being significantly unhappy about it. This is meant to be a public service but when you look at the facilities they choose to make available for leaving the BBC it is deliberately obscure, made to look scary and not made clear......that's more like how a dodgey company operates. Indeed, to find out how to leave the BBC safely you have to go to third parties like 'Defund the BBC' for advice. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2021 7.55pm)
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 Hrolf The Ganger 24 May 21 10.13pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
People can make their own minds up about you being a member of an organisation that ‘ promotes a white nationalist ideology and aims to combat the "replacement and displacement" of white British people by migrants who "have no right to these lands". They support deportation of people of "migrant descent", and would offer financially-incentivised repatriation for "those of immigrant descent who have obtained British passports". Patriotic Alternative opposes all immigration unless one has a shared cultural and ethnic background or who can prove British ancestry Members of Patriotic Alternative have supported holocaust denial, political violence and the white genocide conspiracy theory. They have targeted the LGBT community as being a danger to young children. Patriotic Alternative opposes Black Lives Matter and have displayed White Lives Matter banners around the UK, including on the top of Mam Tor, a hill in Derbyshire.’ Deeply unpleasant individuals. The replacement of White people is no conspiracy, it's an easily demonstrable eventuality with current trends. I oppose BLM. They are self serving communists. I also feel that pandering to 'LGBT' people must not include behaviour that is detrimental to children. Who would disagree? Political violence? Holocaust denial? White superiority? Utterly ridiculous. There can be no defence for those ideas. This is one reason why we have never had a proper right wing alternative. You always get this kind of nuttery that the average person has no time for.
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BlueJay  UK 25 May 21 12.45pm |
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I knew I'd seen that name somewhere. The Russell Brand doc. So the group was founded by a self avowed Neo-Nazi who's perpetually drawn to people covered in Swastikas (like his ex) , who frequently projects hatred towards other races, indoctrinating children with an 'alternative curriculum' that has been shown to be peppered with racist material. So patriotic. You have to laugh at the turning of a blind eye to provable extremes as long as they tick the right boxes in the process. Unnerving yet darkly comic to see how the Internet has radicalised some. Of course once logged off it's back to real world reactions - from those allowed to disagree anyway..
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| BlueJay UK 25 May 21 12.54pm |
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In getting back on topic, I do think to an extent the BBC is 'hands off' enough with whoever is in power (or extra critical of their opposition) that no government ever truly considers pulling the plug on them. The nature and fragmentation of modern media though, has to mean that the Beeb is on borrowed time. Either a subscription model , or a 'very' slimmed down version of what we currently have.
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| Stirlingsays 25 May 21 1.42pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The replacement of White people is no conspiracy, it's an easily demonstrable eventuality with current trends. I oppose BLM. They are self serving communists. I also feel that pandering to 'LGBT' people must not include behaviour that is detrimental to children. Who would disagree? Political violence? Holocaust denial? White superiority? Utterly ridiculous. There can be no defence for those ideas. This is one reason why we have never had a proper right wing alternative. You always get this kind of nuttery that the average person has no time for. As you would expect from Dan he went to a site who are going to be negative towards PA....When Wikipedia first started I use to contribute towards their funding campaigns but once I saw the leftist infiltration into its editing I quickly stopped. The original idea of Wikipedia is great though and I think the intention behind it was good and libertarian, which was to provide free access to a huge library of information...that I think was the intention of the guy who started it....but like most libertarian ideals it gets twisted and abused and ultimately proves unrealistic. Still, the original ideals are noble ones. Dan talks about the LGBQ community...I'm sure there are more letters....but really he's talking about a political and social movement with an agenda. There are gay members in PA and gay social conservatives who don't agree with the introduction of teaching same sex relationships to small children. So as usual Dan only sees what he wants to see. PA's attitudes towards financial repatriation are hardly new in the world and have no element of compulsion. Also I'm amazed that he presents the idea that illegal migrants being sent back as a negative. Surely every country should be doing that already. He 'cuts and pastes' the claim of political violence, which of course isn't supported and of course any suggestion of 'white superiority' is only made by those who are either ignorant or liars. There is holocaust denial in PA, and its leader is one of those. However it would be wrong to suggest that this is the point or focus of the organisation. Many of those who support it don't agree with this or aren't interested. I would fall in that camp. If people want to dispute WW2 they should be free to however I just believe it gives a stick to those who want to attack the organization....as you have already seen here. That is a problem and part of why I haven't joined it. However as a counter against those comfortable with demographic replacement in this country and the replacement of native Europeans in their own homelands I'm happy to support it.....though I do recognise some of the criticisms. It's not as though there are loads of organizations that we can be picky is it. If you are against demographic replacement start buying their products and give money towards people who don't hate you..because no one else has the guts to represent you..if only as a counter against the huge funding given to BLM and Antifa groups. And just as an aside, this organisation is bullied and harassed by corporations and activists and even the Police....bank accounts closed down, arrested and then not charged so they can take belongings. They are lied about and misrepresented all the time by those with real hate in their hearts. All because they disagree with what's happening in the country. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 May 2021 2.03pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 25 May 21 2.19pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
As you would expect from Dan he went to a site who are going to be negative towards PA....When Wikipedia first started I use to contribute towards their funding campaigns but once I saw the leftist infiltration into its editing I quickly stopped. The original idea of Wikipedia is great though and I think the intention behind it was good and libertarian, which was to provide free access to a huge library of information...that I think was the intention of the guy who started it....but like most libertarian ideals it gets twisted and abused and ultimately proves unrealistic. Still, the original ideals are noble ones. Dan talks about the LGBQ community...I'm sure there are more letters....but really he's talking about a political and social movement with an agenda. There are gay members in PA and gay social conservatives who don't agree with the introduction of teaching same sex relationships to small children. So as usual Dan only sees what he wants to see. PA's attitudes towards financial repatriation are hardly new in the world and have no element of compulsion. Also I'm amazed that he presents the idea that illegal migrants being sent back as a negative. Surely every country should be doing that already. He 'cuts and pastes' the claim of political violence, which of course isn't supported and of course any suggestion of 'white superiority' is only made by those who are either ignorant or liars. There is holocaust denial in PA, and its leader is one of those. However it would be wrong to suggest that this is the point or focus of the organisation. Many of those who support it don't agree with this or aren't interested. I would fall in that camp. If people want to dispute WW2 they should be free to however I just believe it gives a stick to those who want to attack the organization....as you have already seen here. That is a problem and part of why I haven't joined it. However as a counter against those comfortable with demographic replacement in this country and the replacement of native Europeans in their own homelands I'm happy to support it.....though I do recognise some of the criticisms. It's not as though there are loads of organizations that we can be picky is it. If you are against demographic replacement start buying their products and give money towards people who don't hate you..because no one else has the guts to represent you..if only as a counter against the huge funding given to BLM and Antifa groups. And just as an aside, this organisation is bullied and harassed by corporations and activists and even the Police....bank accounts closed down, arrested and then not charged so they can take belongings. They are lied about and misrepresented all the time by those with real hate in their hearts. All because they disagree with what's happening in the country. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 May 2021 2.03pm) Thanks for clearing that up. Sadly, it is impossible to trust any information anywhere since most of it is politically motivated or distorted. That is a fact. We don't need Wiki for that.
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| Stirlingsays 25 May 21 2.31pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Thanks for clearing that up. Sadly, it is impossible to trust any information anywhere since most of it is politically motivated or distorted. That is a fact. We don't need Wiki for that. Indeed. There are always two sides to every story and those that are interested in these issues will find them.
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