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Badger11 Beckenham 19 Nov 19 11.25am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
No but he is putting a lot of faith in turning the Muslim vote out for him. It was one of the things from his interview with Andrew Marr. 'Family reunification'. Several times it was mentioned with far stronger gusto than defending conventional EU related freedom of movement. I guess all those postal votes amassed in Mosques and filled in en masse will be a big help. Maybe the voters like him so much they want to vote for him several times. Actually this is the area of voter fraud that the public should be concerned about far more so than impersonation at the ballot box. Immigrants are far more likely to be sceptical to intimidation from within their communities. A pakistani friend told me you get a knock on your door and the local "community" leader asks you to apply for a postal vote which he will help you complete. He also reminds you that back in the home country they know where you family live and as his family control that region.... I don't blame any immigrant who hands over their vote under those circumstances I would to. This is a consequence of making postal voting easy. Back in the day you had to have a reason e.g. policemen on duty are not allowed to vote or in my case as I was working the election I was not allowed to live the polling station to vote at my own station. It's why I would not favour electronic voting either same problem how do we know that someone is not standing over your shoulder. However Labour will do nothing as they are the main beneficiaries and the Tories are scared because of the R word. The real blame lies with the Electoral Commission which is supposed to be independent and must know where the loopholes are.
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Badger11 Beckenham 19 Nov 19 11.30am | |
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Originally posted by becky
That's ok - they'll be balanced out by those who register at home and at their place of education and use both votes in a GE, even if it is illegal! I have not seen any evidence that checks are made to ensure this does not happen. It is not illegal to register at your uni and your home address it is of course illegal to vote twice. If the will was there it should be relatively easy to check the electoral rolls post election as every voter is ticked off. So a simple comparison would tell you who voted once and who voted twice. after that a stiff prison sentence for the offenders and the issue would be solved. Don't hold your breath.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Nov 19 1.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I have not seen any evidence that checks are made to ensure this does not happen. It is not illegal to register at your uni and your home address it is of course illegal to vote twice. If the will was there it should be relatively easy to check the electoral rolls post election as every voter is ticked off. So a simple comparison would tell you who voted once and who voted twice. after that a stiff prison sentence for the offenders and the issue would be solved. Don't hold your breath. Why? Is Corbyn going to tax it?
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Badger11 Beckenham 19 Nov 19 3.52pm | |
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Who's watching tonight? So Boris and Jeremy are going head to head tonight but I won't be watching. To be honest whilst my mind is already made up it wouldn't make any difference if Corbyn wipes the floor with Johnson. I don't judge politicians on their ability to debate but on their policies and their actions. Corbyn meeting terrorists weeks after they tried to murder the government speaks volumes of a the man and more importantly I don't like his policies. The first major televised debate was Nixon Kennedy in 1960. Those who saw it said Kennedy won because he looked young and vigorous whilst Nixon looked old and unshaven. Apparently those that listened on the radio said Nixon won. Anyway the die was cast but today they politicians are too well rehearsed and media savvy to say anything that we haven't heard already. Boris will be a mess and bumble his way through not answering the questions but coming up with the occasional good line. Corbyn will look good attacking the Tories (years of training as a protestor) but will look weak when he has to defend his own policies e.g. Brexit and Immigration. And the public will probably wonder what is on the other side. Now if Diane Abbott was to done one I would get the popcorn on and buckle up my seatbelt for car crash TV. So are you watching? Edited by Badger11 (19 Nov 2019 3.58pm)
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W12 19 Nov 19 4.02pm | |
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Screw them both (and Swinson, and the rest of them)
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 19 Nov 19 4.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Who's watching tonight? So Boris and Jeremy are going head to head tonight but I won't be watching. To be honest whilst my mind is already made up it wouldn't make any difference if Corbyn wipes the floor with Johnson. I don't judge politicians on their ability to debate but on their policies and their actions. Corbyn meeting terrorists weeks after they tried to murder the government speaks volumes of a the man and more importantly I don't like his policies. The first major televised debate was Nixon Kennedy in 1960. Those who saw it said Kennedy won because he looked young and vigorous whilst Nixon looked old and unshaven. Apparently those that listened on the radio said Nixon won. Anyway the die was cast but today they politicians are too well rehearsed and media savvy to say anything that we haven't heard already. Boris will be a mess and bumble his way through not answering the questions but coming up with the occasional good line. Corbyn will look good attacking the Tories (years of training as a protestor) but will look weak when he has to defend his own policies e.g. Brexit and Immigration. And the public will probably wonder what is on the other side. Now if Diane Abbott was to done one I would get the popcorn on and buckle up my seatbelt for car crash TV. So are you watching? Edited by Badger11 (19 Nov 2019 3.58pm) Pointless exercise - I doubt there’s anyone in the electorate split between Tory/Labour so there’s little point letting them have it out one on one. Everyone watching will have their mind made up on at least one of Boris and Corbyn, such is the polarising nature of their personalities, so who is the debate actually for? Substance will be entirely irrelevant to the discussion, as you’d expect in a country where Boris Johnson will soon be elected PM.
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Stirlingsays 19 Nov 19 4.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Who's watching tonight? So Boris and Jeremy are going head to head tonight but I won't be watching. To be honest whilst my mind is already made up it wouldn't make any difference if Corbyn wipes the floor with Johnson. I don't judge politicians on their ability to debate but on their policies and their actions. Corbyn meeting terrorists weeks after they tried to murder the government speaks volumes of a the man and more importantly I don't like his policies. The first major televised debate was Nixon Kennedy in 1960. Those who saw it said Kennedy won because he looked young and vigorous whilst Nixon looked old and unshaven. Apparently those that listened on the radio said Nixon won. Anyway the die was cast but today they politicians are too well rehearsed and media savvy to say anything that we haven't heard already. Boris will be a mess and bumble his way through not answering the questions but coming up with the occasional good line. Corbyn will look good attacking the Tories (years of training as a protestor) but will look weak when he has to defend his own policies e.g. Brexit and Immigration. And the public will probably wonder what is on the other side. Now if Diane Abbott was to done one I would get the popcorn on and buckle up my seatbelt for car crash TV. So are you watching? Edited by Badger11 (19 Nov 2019 3.58pm) I will probably watch it as an upload to Youtube at a later point. It's not a serious election choice....so it makes the debates a bit boring. I can't see people voting Labour unless they are actual socialists or anti Jewish....or just your common garden rubber stamp Labour voter. The moment Johnson won the Tory leadership it was done. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Nov 2019 4.09pm)
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Deleted11 19 Nov 19 4.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Who's watching tonight? So Boris and Jeremy are going head to head tonight but I won't be watching. To be honest whilst my mind is already made up it wouldn't make any difference if Corbyn wipes the floor with Johnson. I don't judge politicians on their ability to debate but on their policies and their actions. Corbyn meeting terrorists weeks after they tried to murder the government speaks volumes of a the man and more importantly I don't like his policies. The first major televised debate was Nixon Kennedy in 1960. Those who saw it said Kennedy won because he looked young and vigorous whilst Nixon looked old and unshaven. Apparently those that listened on the radio said Nixon won. Anyway the die was cast but today they politicians are too well rehearsed and media savvy to say anything that we haven't heard already. Boris will be a mess and bumble his way through not answering the questions but coming up with the occasional good line. Corbyn will look good attacking the Tories (years of training as a protestor) but will look weak when he has to defend his own policies e.g. Brexit and Immigration. And the public will probably wonder what is on the other side. Now if Diane Abbott was to done one I would get the popcorn on and buckle up my seatbelt for car crash TV. So are you watching? Edited by Badger11 (19 Nov 2019 3.58pm) In a strange way, Corbyn has everything to gain from this debate. The problem is he is going to have to be clear on immigration. Anything that resembles open boarders, the I believe Labour will lose by a pretty big margin. IMHO and with regards to winning this election, the only things Labour can offer are; 1) A 2nd referendum with No Deal and Labour's deal, which will be remain light. Let's face it though, 1 and 2 are extremely unlikely, but 3 would set the cat amongst the pigeons, because, the vast majority of Leavers are over 50ish, who are also the biggest turnout at elections.
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Midlands Eagle 19 Nov 19 4.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I can't see people voting Labour unless they are actual socialists or anti Jewish....or just your common garden rubber stamp Labour voter. I did smile the other day when a woman heckled Corbyn about his anti semitic party ending with "For the many not the Jew"
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Badger11 Beckenham 19 Nov 19 4.41pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Pointless exercise - I doubt there’s anyone in the electorate split between Tory/Labour so there’s little point letting them have it out one on one. Everyone watching will have their mind made up on at least one of Boris and Corbyn, such is the polarising nature of their personalities, so who is the debate actually for? Substance will be entirely irrelevant to the discussion, as you’d expect in a country where Boris Johnson will soon be elected PM. Excellent point and on reflection I agree. In this election if you are undecided I suspect you are agonising over Labour/Lib Dems/Greens and SNP if in Scotland. Your vote may end up being an anti Tory one rather than pro any one party. On the other side apart from the odd constituency if you want Brexit the choice is simple vote Tory. So yes I agree it would have been better if Corbyn took on Swinson and someone from the Greens.
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Stirlingsays 19 Nov 19 5.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I did smile the other day when a woman heckled Corbyn about his anti semitic party ending with "For the many not the Jew" I know....it's a great tag line both for them and to twist it highlight the anti semitism. Then again, I think the 'anti semitism' stuff is overblown....that said I think all the 'isms' are overblown. Society is obsessed with 'isms' and victim narratives. Still, 'For the many not the Jew' makes me laugh everytime I hear it. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Nov 2019 5.48pm)
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Stirlingsays 19 Nov 19 6.32pm | |
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If Corbyn gets in he's going to open up immigration like never before. These are the statistics on immigration to the UK. Minorities always vote majority left and in higher numbers the more culturally diverse...for example of the BAME migrants who could vote, only 19 percent voted Tory in 2017....The Tories need to wake up and stop listening to the 'ism' mob.
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