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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 6.23pm
Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye Since you're so adept at google why don't you plug "Great Leap Forward" into the search bar next time Mr. "Teacher". Perhaps follow that up with guidance on how to emigrate to China (might not be your thing though since they don't act so communist anymore). You're faith in Big Government is misguided. Oh dear. Not that old chestnut. Next.
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Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 6.23pm

Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye

Since you're so adept at google why don't you plug "Great Leap Forward" into the search bar next time Mr. "Teacher".

Perhaps follow that up with guidance on how to emigrate to China (might not be your thing though since they don't act so communist anymore).

You're faith in Big Government is misguided.

Oh dear. Not that old chestnut.
Next.

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Sheks Crows Eye Virginia 29 Dec 17 6.27pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Oh dear. Not that old chestnut. Next. Run along now son.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

Oh dear. Not that old chestnut.
Next.

Run along now son.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 6.56pm
Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye Run along now son. You have completely dismissed deaths caused by capitalism because I googled it. You are the one what's legged it from the argument. Are you saying deaths during the great depression aren't anything to do with free market capitalism . If so, how?
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Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 6.56pm

Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye

Run along now son.

You have completely dismissed deaths caused by capitalism because I googled it. You are the one what's legged it from the argument. Are you saying deaths during the great depression aren't anything to do with free market capitalism . If so, how?

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Stirlingsays 29 Dec 17 7.27pm
Originally posted by nickgusset You have completely dismissed deaths caused by capitalism because I googled it. You are the one what's legged it from the argument. Are you saying deaths during the great depression aren't anything to do with free market capitalism . If so, how? How can you criticise free market capitalism? It's more responsible for enabling the modern western world than anything else. It has its abuses like all human systems but it works.....even the self described communists...outside of NK use it....it's the god they pray to. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 7.28pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Dec 17 7.27pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

How can you criticise free market capitalism? It's more responsible for enabling the modern western world than anything else.

It has its abuses like all human systems but it works.....even the self described communists...outside of NK use it....it's the god they pray to.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 7.28pm)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 7.34pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays How can you criticise free market capitalism? It's more responsible for enabling the modern western world than anything else. It has its abuses like all human systems but it works.....even the self described communists...outside of NK use it....it's the god they pray to. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 7.28pm) Are you saying the deaths are just collateral?
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Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 7.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

How can you criticise free market capitalism? It's more responsible for enabling the modern western world than anything else.

It has its abuses like all human systems but it works.....even the self described communists...outside of NK use it....it's the god they pray to.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 7.28pm)

Are you saying the deaths are just collateral?

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Ray in Houston Houston 29 Dec 17 7.44pm
Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye However, I don't see how Trump is all that cozy with Russia, for the cameras, yeah maybe? But how else can one act with another nuclear power with the cyber infrasture to cripple your grid? Trump has signed legislation enabling significant sanctions against the Russian federation [Link] and has not waivered on the Magnitsky Act which is the single greatest way to punish Putin and the oligarchs behind him. [Link] Trump has, notably, never criticized Putin in public; moreover he usually showers him with compliments. As to sanctions, yes, Trump signed the bill (in private, unusually) - which would have become law without his signature in any case - but then fired off a couple of angry signing statements and then failed to implement the actions required of him in the bill. He had to be dragged into compliance by the likes of McCain and Corker. [Link] Trump demanded - and got - only one change to the Republican Party platform as their nominee: the removal the party's support for Ukraine against Russian incursion. [Link] As to the Magnitsky Act, when TrumpWorld talks about adoptions and Russians - like Jr's initial smokescreen over the subject matter of the infamous Trump Tower meeting - they are talking about the Magnitsky Act. Putin's response to the crippling sanctions imposed under the Act was to prohibit adoptions of Russian babies by Americans. Restoring adoption privileges means softening or removing the sanctions imposed under Magnitsky. Edited by Ray in Houston (29 Dec 2017 7.45pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye

However, I don't see how Trump is all that cozy with Russia, for the cameras, yeah maybe? But how else can one act with another nuclear power with the cyber infrasture to cripple your grid?

Trump has signed legislation enabling significant sanctions against the Russian federation [Link] and has not waivered on the Magnitsky Act which is the single greatest way to punish Putin and the oligarchs behind him.

[Link]

Trump has, notably, never criticized Putin in public; moreover he usually showers him with compliments. As to sanctions, yes, Trump signed the bill (in private, unusually) - which would have become law without his signature in any case - but then fired off a couple of angry signing statements and then failed to implement the actions required of him in the bill. He had to be dragged into compliance by the likes of McCain and Corker. [Link]

Trump demanded - and got - only one change to the Republican Party platform as their nominee: the removal the party's support for Ukraine against Russian incursion. [Link]

As to the Magnitsky Act, when TrumpWorld talks about adoptions and Russians - like Jr's initial smokescreen over the subject matter of the infamous Trump Tower meeting - they are talking about the Magnitsky Act. Putin's response to the crippling sanctions imposed under the Act was to prohibit adoptions of Russian babies by Americans. Restoring adoption privileges means softening or removing the sanctions imposed under Magnitsky.

Edited by Ray in Houston (29 Dec 2017 7.45pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Stirlingsays 29 Dec 17 8.06pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Are you saying the deaths are just collateral? I think all systems kill people and disadvantage some sets of people. It's a question of what system causes less harm. Any human system is going to come with abuses. The free market has taken more people out of poverty in the world than any system in the world....it doens't even come close. Communism works by suppression of human nature and dismantles any meritocracy within systems.....that's part of the reason why people starve in communist economies. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Dec 17 8.06pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Are you saying the deaths are just collateral?

I think all systems kill people and disadvantage some sets of people.

It's a question of what system causes less harm. Any human system is going to come with abuses.

The free market has taken more people out of poverty in the world than any system in the world....it doens't even come close.

Communism works by suppression of human nature and dismantles any meritocracy within systems.....that's part of the reason why people starve in communist economies.

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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Dec 17 8.10pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think all systems kill people and disadvantage some sets of people. It's a question of what system causes less harm. Any human system is going to come with abuses. The free market has taken more people out of poverty in the world than any system in the world....it doens't even come close. Communism works by suppression of human nature and dismantles any meritocracy within systems.....that's part of the reason why people starve in communist economies. Is the correct answer.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think all systems kill people and disadvantage some sets of people.

It's a question of what system causes less harm. Any human system is going to come with abuses.

The free market has taken more people out of poverty in the world than any system in the world....it doens't even come close.

Communism works by suppression of human nature and dismantles any meritocracy within systems.....that's part of the reason why people starve in communist economies.

Is the correct answer.

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Stirlingsays 29 Dec 17 8.14pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Trump has, notably, never criticized Putin in public; moreover he usually showers him with compliments. As to sanctions, yes, Trump signed the bill (in private, unusually) - which would have become law without his signature in any case - but then fired off a couple of angry signing statements and then failed to implement the actions required of him in the bill. He had to be dragged into compliance by the likes of McCain and Corker. [Link] Trump demanded - and got - only one change to the Republican Party platform as their nominee: the removal the party's support for Ukraine against Russian incursion. [Link] As to the Magnitsky Act, when TrumpWorld talks about adoptions and Russians - like Jr's initial smokescreen over the subject matter of the infamous Trump Tower meeting - they are talking about the Magnitsky Act. Putin's response to the crippling sanctions imposed under the Act was to prohibit adoptions of Russian babies by Americans. Restoring adoption privileges means softening or removing the sanctions imposed under Magnitsky. Edited by Ray in Houston (29 Dec 2017 7.45pm) Included for balance. Trump criticised Russia in Poland.....and when you criticise Russia you are in effect criticising Putin. He said, 'We urge Russia to cease its destabilizing activities in Ukraine and elsewhere and its support for hostile regimes including Syria and Iran, and to instead join the community of responsible nations in our fight against common enemies and the defense of civilization itself.' 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Dec 17 8.14pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Trump demanded - and got - only one change to the Republican Party platform as their nominee: the removal the party's support for Ukraine against Russian incursion. [Link]

Edited by Ray in Houston (29 Dec 2017 7.45pm)

Included for balance.

Trump criticised Russia in Poland.....and when you criticise Russia you are in effect criticising Putin.

He said, 'We urge Russia to cease its destabilizing activities in Ukraine and elsewhere and its support for hostile regimes including Syria and Iran, and to instead join the community of responsible nations in our fight against common enemies and the defense of civilization itself.'

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 8.17pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think all systems kill people and disadvantage some sets of people. It's a question of what system causes less harm. Any human system is going to come with abuses. The free market has taken more people out of poverty in the world than any system in the world....it doens't even come close. Capitalism works by suppression of human nature and dismantles any meritocracy within systems.....that's part of the reason why people starve in capitalist economies. Easily transferable innit. Im not saying that many many people haven't done well or have a decent quality of life under capitalism. But it's become unfettered , needs reigning in and be more ethically and socially sound in wealth distribution, the rights of workers and resourcing. But my main point was to counter the oft trotted out years old cliche about how many people did communism kill as a counter to a completely different argument by way of obfuscation. Edited by nickgusset (29 Dec 2017 8.19pm)
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Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 8.17pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think all systems kill people and disadvantage some sets of people.

It's a question of what system causes less harm. Any human system is going to come with abuses.

The free market has taken more people out of poverty in the world than any system in the world....it doens't even come close.

Capitalism works by suppression of human nature and dismantles any meritocracy within systems.....that's part of the reason why people starve in capitalist economies.

Easily transferable innit.
Im not saying that many many people haven't done well or have a decent quality of life under capitalism. But it's become unfettered , needs reigning in and be more ethically and socially sound in wealth distribution, the rights of workers and resourcing.
But my main point was to counter the oft trotted out years old cliche about how many people did communism kill as a counter to a completely different argument by way of obfuscation.

Edited by nickgusset (29 Dec 2017 8.19pm)

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Stirlingsays 29 Dec 17 8.29pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Easily transferable innit. Im not saying that many many people haven't done well or have a decent quality of life under capitalism. But it's become unfettered , needs reigning in and be more ethically and socially sound in wealth distribution, the rights of workers and resourcing. But my main point was to counter the oft trotted out years old cliche about how many people did communism kill as a counter to a completely different argument by way of obfuscation. Edited by nickgusset (29 Dec 2017 8.19pm) Authoritarianism taken to extremes kills people...well murders them and it can be left or right. Communism starves people. Capitalism.....I agree unfetted capitalism starved the bottom of the meritocracy tree or the bottom class tree. Regulated capitalism.....with 'free' markets is currently the best system we know. 'free' in quotes because without regulation it becomes corrupt like all human systems. Regulated capitalism....well any system is worthy of criticism......at the end of the day we all want the same thing.....well I hope we do anyway. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 8.30pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Dec 17 8.29pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Edited by nickgusset (29 Dec 2017 8.19pm)

Authoritarianism taken to extremes kills people...well murders them and it can be left or right.

Communism starves people.

Capitalism.....I agree unfetted capitalism starved the bottom of the meritocracy tree or the bottom class tree.

Regulated capitalism.....with 'free' markets is currently the best system we know. 'free' in quotes because without regulation it becomes corrupt like all human systems.

Regulated capitalism....well any system is worthy of criticism......at the end of the day we all want the same thing.....well I hope we do anyway.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 8.30pm)

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Ray in Houston Houston 29 Dec 17 8.43pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Included for balance. Trump criticised Russia in Poland.....and when you criticise Russia you are in effect criticising Putin. He said, 'We urge Russia to cease its destabilizing activities in Ukraine and elsewhere and its support for hostile regimes including Syria and Iran, and to instead join the community of responsible nations in our fight against common enemies and the defense of civilization itself.' For "balance", here's 80 times Trump glossed Putin: [Link] We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 29 Dec 17 8.43pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Included for balance.

Trump criticised Russia in Poland.....and when you criticise Russia you are in effect criticising Putin.

For "balance", here's 80 times Trump glossed Putin: [Link]

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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