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 CambridgeEagle  Sydenham 23 Oct 17 6.34pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Here is another: Research by the AA found that despite traffic volumes falling within the zone, speeds became slower over the decade, as a result of road space being turned into bus lanes, cycle and pedestrian safety measures, and roadworks. It said that roads were now so clogged, emissions of PM10 soot particles from car tyres and brakes were greater than from exhausts because of the amount of starting and stopping. But it had raised a few billion in revenue, most of which was pissed away on the administration of it. AA certainly don't have an agenda do they? Clearly the answer is to ban cars from central London altogether (I'm in favour). The data shows there are fewer cars since the CC was brought in. All revenue is spent either on admin of the system or put into public transport. This is a good thing. The T-charge is predicted by the Mayor not to make any money in excess of the costs of admin but the change in behaviour is worth it as it will improve the air quality in central London. When the Low Emission zone is pushed out to the N&S Circulars this will be a good thing. The issue is there is not enough space to cope with all the traffic in central London and the big issue has been the addition of considerable numbers of delivery vehicles. This is a relatively new trend and one that needs addressing. Indeed many new developments as part of planning restrictions aren't allowed mail rooms on site and must have dedicated delivery hubs outside central London to try and tackle this issue. It's clearly a problem and anything to help it should be welcome but we need to go further.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 23 Oct 17 6.39pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
It's not achievable, we'll have to disagree. I'm not doing more (i.e. paying more) while the rest of the planet are wilfully f***ing it up far more than I am. Once the government are zero polluting they can ask the rest of us to follow suit, should the far bigger emitting countries sort their acts out too. Until then, it's a revenue raising task and nothing more. That's a ridiculous attitude. The point is the government set the law and set and example and create incentives for people. You're demonstrating the lack of incentives, but cutting of your nose to spite your face seems foolish. You should be concerned about this and keen to see progress made so your kids and their kids don't end up seeing their life expectancy fall (already happening by the way) and their health suffer. Calling it a revenue raising task and nothing more is ignorant of the whole idea and the outcomes and direction of travel. There is seriously no point in Brexit if this is the attitude. We need to have the desire to be world leaders in this kind of area for this to be a success. We need to be more efficient, greener and more equal a society. This government is making a hash of it.
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| elgrande bedford 23 Oct 17 6.41pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
AA certainly don't have an agenda do they? Clearly the answer is to ban cars from central London altogether (I'm in favour). The data shows there are fewer cars since the CC was brought in. All revenue is spent either on admin of the system or put into public transport. This is a good thing. The T-charge is predicted by the Mayor not to make any money in excess of the costs of admin but the change in behaviour is worth it as it will improve the air quality in central London. When the Low Emission zone is pushed out to the N&S Circulars this will be a good thing. The issue is there is not enough space to cope with all the traffic in central London and the big issue has been the addition of considerable numbers of delivery vehicles. This is a relatively new trend and one that needs addressing. Indeed many new developments as part of planning restrictions aren't allowed mail rooms on site and must have dedicated delivery hubs outside central London to try and tackle this issue. It's clearly a problem and anything to help it should be welcome but we need to go further. Do you use shops,supermarkets,have parcels delivered.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 23 Oct 17 6.44pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
It is. Why isn't it based on real world emissions? A euro 6 engine can easily pollute more than a euro 3 or 4 engine depending on the car, fuel etc. Euro ratings do set limits on exhaust emissions for Carbon monoxide, Hydrocarbons, Nitrogen oxide and Particulate matter in grams per km. How else do you suggest it's done? By stopping and testing each car by the side of the road as it enters the CC zone? "According to figures from the Society of Motor Manufacturers & Traders (SMMT), the Euro emissions have had a significant influence in reducing emissions."
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 23 Oct 17 6.50pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Do you use shops,supermarkets,have parcels delivered. Soon enough private cars and most delivery vehicles will be all but banned from central London. The way planning is going offices will have to have a delivery centre outside the centre of London and then a single delivery will be made once a day at most. This has happened with 22 Bishopsgate already. People can get from a to b via public transport or on foot or bike. Cars won't be around for too much longer.
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| elgrande bedford 23 Oct 17 7.14pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Soon enough private cars and most delivery vehicles will be all but banned from central London. The way planning is going offices will have to have a delivery centre outside the centre of London and then a single delivery will be made once a day at most. This has happened with 22 Bishopsgate already. People can get from a to b via public transport or on foot or bike. Cars won't be around for too much longer. Shops and supermarkets sometimes have more tban one delivery a day.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Oct 17 7.36pm |
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Originally posted by elgrande
Shops and supermarkets sometimes have more tban one delivery a day. Drones ...
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 23 Oct 17 8.11pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Drones ... What, legaleagle going into the delivery business?
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| elgrande bedford 23 Oct 17 9.07pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Drones ... Yeah nice one, an artic load of deliveries dropped from a drone.
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tome  Inner Tantalus Time. 23 Oct 17 9.15pm |
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Won't future electric cars (and presumably trucks) address the emissions issue?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Oct 17 9.25pm |
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Originally posted by tome
Won't future electric cars (and presumably trucks) address the emissions issue?
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Oct 17 9.32pm |
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Originally posted by tome
Won't future electric cars (and presumably trucks) address the emissions issue? Hydrogen fuel cells are the way forward according to the Toyota UK Chairman, as electric cars have huge carbon footprint needing power stations galore. I saw a Dutch solar powered car at the weekend a prototype so the boundaries are being pushed all the time. Who knows in 2040 electric cars may well be obsolete. How the earth was created I don't know but everything was provided, the sun the wind, foolish mankind just goes on its destructive path.
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