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Kermit8 Hevon 23 Oct 17 12.09pm
Prize of a date with Hedgie, Hrolf and Stirling at Billy Bragg's concert at Royal Festival Hall in January for whomever writes the 10,000th post. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 23 Oct 17 12.09pm

Prize of a date with Hedgie, Hrolf and Stirling at Billy Bragg's concert at Royal Festival Hall in January for whomever writes the 10,000th post.

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Kermit8 Hevon 23 Oct 17 12.11pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 What you really mean of course is that we should have a Brexit that keeps as many aspects of EU policy that people voted Leave to get rid of in the first place. Indeed. If it is on the best interests of the UK. I care about the country. You only care about your unsavoury views being implemented. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 23 Oct 17 12.11pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

What you really mean of course is that we should have a Brexit that keeps as many aspects of EU policy that people voted Leave to get rid of in the first place.

Indeed. If it is on the best interests of the UK. I care about the country. You only care about your unsavoury views being implemented.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 23 Oct 17 12.16pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Indeed. If it is on the best interests of the UK. I care about the country. You only care about your unsavoury views being implemented. It is amusing that many of your proposals are apparently to support British businesses, the very same organisations that you regard as evil capitalist blood-suckers, the authors of all our woes. Edited by hedgehog50 (23 Oct 2017 12.17pm) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 23 Oct 17 12.16pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Indeed. If it is on the best interests of the UK. I care about the country. You only care about your unsavoury views being implemented.

It is amusing that many of your proposals are apparently to support British businesses, the very same organisations that you regard as evil capitalist blood-suckers, the authors of all our woes.

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We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Kermit8 Hevon 23 Oct 17 12.48pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 It is amusing that many of your proposals are apparently to support British businesses, the very same organisations that you regard as evil capitalist blood-suckers, the authors of all our woes. Edited by hedgehog50 (23 Oct 2017 12.17pm) Apart from the obvious banks would you care to name one or two? There are 200,000 businesses in the UK that have trade with the EU. Shouldn't be too difficult. Come on - the 3,000,000 employees of those companies want to know too and why you are threatening their livelihoods by wishing for a Hard Brexit? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 23 Oct 17 12.48pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

It is amusing that many of your proposals are apparently to support British businesses, the very same organisations that you regard as evil capitalist blood-suckers, the authors of all our woes.

Edited by hedgehog50 (23 Oct 2017 12.17pm)

Apart from the obvious banks would you care to name one or two?

There are 200,000 businesses in the UK that have trade with the EU. Shouldn't be too difficult.

Come on - the 3,000,000 employees of those companies want to know too and why you are threatening their livelihoods by wishing for a Hard Brexit?

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elgrande bedford 23 Oct 17 1.51pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Apart from the obvious banks would you care to name one or two? There are 200,000 businesses in the UK that have trade with the EU. Shouldn't be too difficult. Come on - the 3,000,000 employees of those companies want to know too and why you are threatening their livelihoods by wishing for a Hard Brexit? Yes and probaly most of them will still have business in Europe, Its funny how everyone forgets,we buy more from Europe than we sell,11 million german car workers,and do you really think that the selfish b****s that are the french will execpt redundancies because we are not buying their cheesevor wine,or cars. Thatscwithout all the fruit and veg we buy from southern Europe. Not sayingm is going to be easy...but its a 2 way street. And after that tweet showing those to ignorant b**s,i would f* them right over. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 23 Oct 17 1.51pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Apart from the obvious banks would you care to name one or two?

There are 200,000 businesses in the UK that have trade with the EU. Shouldn't be too difficult.

Come on - the 3,000,000 employees of those companies want to know too and why you are threatening their livelihoods by wishing for a Hard Brexit?

Yes and probaly most of them will still have business in Europe,
Its funny how everyone forgets,we buy more from Europe than we sell,11 million german car workers,and do you really think that the selfish b******s that are the french will execpt redundancies because we are not buying their cheesevor wine,or cars.
Thatscwithout all the fruit and veg we buy from southern Europe.
Not sayingm is going to be easy...but its a 2 way street.
And after that tweet showing those to ignorant b******s,i would f*** them right over.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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steeleye20 Croydon 23 Oct 17 1.58pm
Business just waking up to the fact that they will have to implement brexit not politicians. Like the rest of us haven't got a clue what they will have to do or even if its possible or even if it can actually be delivered. Did anybody in June 2016 have any information about what brexit would actually entail rather than all the yahooing? OK leave tell us how the last 40 years will have to be changed, how long it will take and at what cost. As we should have known to make an informed decision in June 2016.
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Croydon 23 Oct 17 1.58pm

Business just waking up to the fact that they will have to implement brexit not politicians.

Like the rest of us haven't got a clue what they will have to do or even if its possible or even if it can actually be delivered.

Did anybody in June 2016 have any information about what brexit would actually entail rather than all the yahooing?

OK leave tell us how the last 40 years will have to be changed, how long it will take and at what cost.

As we should have known to make an informed decision in June 2016.

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Kermit8 Hevon 23 Oct 17 2.01pm
Originally posted by elgrande Yes and probaly most of them will still have business in Europe, Its funny how everyone forgets,we buy more from Europe than we sell,11 million german car workers,and do you really think that the selfish b****s that are the french will execpt redundancies because we are not buying their cheesevor wine,or cars. Thatscwithout all the fruit and veg we buy from southern Europe. Not sayingm is going to be easy...but its a 2 way street. And after that tweet showing those to ignorant b**s,i would f* them right over. Get out of the wrong side of Bedford today elgrande? Transitional deal will make all the above possible. Hard Brexit and 'no deal' will make all the above difficult. And expensive. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 23 Oct 17 2.01pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Get out of the wrong side of Bedford today elgrande?

Transitional deal will make all the above possible. Hard Brexit and 'no deal' will make all the above difficult. And expensive.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 23 Oct 17 2.07pm
FoI request shows the Tories wasted £370k of tax payers' money on fighting court battles (which it lost) concerning illegal levels of air pollution directly due to their inadequate and harmful policies. This is one of the main aims of much of the Tory Brexit nut case cabal on leaving the EU. Being able to poison us all in exchange for kickbacks and board positions from their friends in industry. They care not a jot about public health and the environment, simply about lining their own pockets. The EU for them is a hindrance in doing as they wish for their own ends, as cases like this prove. Brexit needs handling by grown ups on behalf of the people and issues like cutting air pollution protecting and the environment, the biggest and most important issues we face globally, need to have their causes furthered and enshrined in UK law. This government would tear much of the legislation up and give control and power over our environment to Gove and their chums. This isn't taking back control or giving us more say. It's the opposite.
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FoI request shows the Tories wasted £370k of tax payers' money on fighting court battles (which it lost) concerning illegal levels of air pollution directly due to their inadequate and harmful policies.

This is one of the main aims of much of the Tory Brexit nut case cabal on leaving the EU. Being able to poison us all in exchange for kickbacks and board positions from their friends in industry. They care not a jot about public health and the environment, simply about lining their own pockets. The EU for them is a hindrance in doing as they wish for their own ends, as cases like this prove.

Brexit needs handling by grown ups on behalf of the people and issues like cutting air pollution protecting and the environment, the biggest and most important issues we face globally, need to have their causes furthered and enshrined in UK law. This government would tear much of the legislation up and give control and power over our environment to Gove and their chums. This isn't taking back control or giving us more say. It's the opposite.

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Stuk Top half 23 Oct 17 2.23pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle FoI request shows the Tories wasted £370k of tax payers' money on fighting court battles (which it lost) concerning illegal levels of air pollution directly due to their inadequate and harmful policies. This is one of the main aims of much of the Tory Brexit nut case cabal on leaving the EU. Being able to poison us all in exchange for kickbacks and board positions from their friends in industry. They care not a jot about public health and the environment, simply about lining their own pockets. The EU for them is a hindrance in doing as they wish for their own ends, as cases like this prove. Brexit needs handling by grown ups on behalf of the people and issues like cutting air pollution protecting and the environment, the biggest and most important issues we face globally, need to have their causes furthered and enshrined in UK law. This government would tear much of the legislation up and give control and power over our environment to Gove and their chums. This isn't taking back control or giving us more say. It's the opposite. That is basically how the EU's clean air policy works. Set targets that are impossible to achieve, then demand money off of countries for breaking impossible air quality level. They also allowed the euro emission rigged cars to contribute to this and still do as they only have a pass a lab test, not a real world test. Meanwhile you have India, China and the US etc making small national, or local, targets irrelevant on a world scale while they do as they please. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 23 Oct 17 2.23pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

This is one of the main aims of much of the Tory Brexit nut case cabal on leaving the EU. Being able to poison us all in exchange for kickbacks and board positions from their friends in industry. They care not a jot about public health and the environment, simply about lining their own pockets. The EU for them is a hindrance in doing as they wish for their own ends, as cases like this prove.

That is basically how the EU's clean air policy works. Set targets that are impossible to achieve, then demand money off of countries for breaking impossible air quality level.

They also allowed the euro emission rigged cars to contribute to this and still do as they only have a pass a lab test, not a real world test.

Meanwhile you have India, China and the US etc making small national, or local, targets irrelevant on a world scale while they do as they please.

Optimistic as ever

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 23 Oct 17 2.27pm
Originally posted by Stuk That is basically how the EU's clean air policy works. Set targets that are impossible to achieve, then demand money off of countries for breaking impossible air quality level. They also allowed the euro emission rigged cars to contribute to this and still do as they only have a pass a lab test, not a real world test. Meanwhile you have India, China and the US etc making small national, or local, targets irrelevant on a world scale while they do as they please. China are investing more than anyone else in the world on renewables and cleaner air.
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Shizzlehurst 23 Oct 17 2.27pm

Originally posted by Stuk

That is basically how the EU's clean air policy works. Set targets that are impossible to achieve, then demand money off of countries for breaking impossible air quality level.

They also allowed the euro emission rigged cars to contribute to this and still do as they only have a pass a lab test, not a real world test.

Meanwhile you have India, China and the US etc making small national, or local, targets irrelevant on a world scale while they do as they please.

China are investing more than anyone else in the world on renewables and cleaner air.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 23 Oct 17 2.29pm
Originally posted by Stuk That is basically how the EU's clean air policy works. Set targets that are impossible to achieve, then demand money off of countries for breaking impossible air quality level. They also allowed the euro emission rigged cars to contribute to this and still do as they only have a pass a lab test, not a real world test. Meanwhile you have India, China and the US etc making small national, or local, targets irrelevant on a world scale while they do as they please. All reasons why leaving the EU offers opportunities, but with our current government things will only get worse. Also the targets are not unachievable, and in this instance the law being broken was to move towards the target in the quickest time possible. Our policies did very little. We can't use what others do as an excuse and we can't sit back and do nothing. Also what the US does has little to do with air quality in London for instance. That is a public health crisis that requires action from local and national government to radically change policies on everything from car emissions to construction to public transport policy. We need a proper cleaner air act and a proper diesel scrappage scheme. Investing in green technology is a no-brainer but no popular in Tory circles as it's contrary to their own personal interests.
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Sydenham 23 Oct 17 2.29pm

Originally posted by Stuk

That is basically how the EU's clean air policy works. Set targets that are impossible to achieve, then demand money off of countries for breaking impossible air quality level.

They also allowed the euro emission rigged cars to contribute to this and still do as they only have a pass a lab test, not a real world test.

Meanwhile you have India, China and the US etc making small national, or local, targets irrelevant on a world scale while they do as they please.

All reasons why leaving the EU offers opportunities, but with our current government things will only get worse.

Also the targets are not unachievable, and in this instance the law being broken was to move towards the target in the quickest time possible. Our policies did very little.

We can't use what others do as an excuse and we can't sit back and do nothing. Also what the US does has little to do with air quality in London for instance. That is a public health crisis that requires action from local and national government to radically change policies on everything from car emissions to construction to public transport policy. We need a proper cleaner air act and a proper diesel scrappage scheme. Investing in green technology is a no-brainer but no popular in Tory circles as it's contrary to their own personal interests.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 23 Oct 17 2.33pm
Originally posted by nickgusset China are investing more than anyone else in the world on renewables and cleaner air. In recognition of what the world will require in the future and cementing their place as world leaders in renewable/green tech and also being the sensible and leading world power. China clearly sees that sustainability and the environment are important and that it cannot rely on fossil fuels for much longer and that demand is and will shift and they can be at the forefront of that change.
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Sydenham 23 Oct 17 2.33pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

China are investing more than anyone else in the world on renewables and cleaner air.

In recognition of what the world will require in the future and cementing their place as world leaders in renewable/green tech and also being the sensible and leading world power. China clearly sees that sustainability and the environment are important and that it cannot rely on fossil fuels for much longer and that demand is and will shift and they can be at the forefront of that change.

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