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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Feb 21 11.07am
Originally posted by The Dolphin Read the whole article. The script has been written and created and escape from a Lab isn't in the script - not unless Donal Trump broke in and spread it himself anyway. The investigation is rigged as will be the results as well. It is a farce because regardless of blame we really do need to know the truth - trouble is - the Chinese either did it deliberately and so they don't care or it was a genuine accident and they will never see themselves accused of something like this. Bats and wet markets - it has it written all over it Edited by The Dolphin (03 Feb 2021 10.55am) I want them held accountable. If it turns out it's from there and even their lackies can't hide it - what are we going to do? My immediate reaction is trade embargo until they pay compensation. Trouble is, they own too much of us and are too strong for us too. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Feb 21 11.07am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Read the whole article.
The script has been written and created and escape from a Lab isn't in the script - not unless Donal Trump broke in and spread it himself anyway.
The investigation is rigged as will be the results as well.
It is a farce because regardless of blame we really do need to know the truth - trouble is - the Chinese either did it deliberately and so they don't care or it was a genuine accident and they will never see themselves accused of something like this.
Bats and wet markets - it has it written all over it

Edited by The Dolphin (03 Feb 2021 10.55am)

I want them held accountable. If it turns out it's from there and even their lackies can't hide it - what are we going to do? My immediate reaction is trade embargo until they pay compensation. Trouble is, they own too much of us and are too strong for us too.

Red and Blue Army!

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Spiderman Horsham 03 Feb 21 11.34am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops So if it’s ok to label it where it first happens then surely there is nothing wrong with saying it is the Chinese virus that mutated into the South African, Brazilian, etc etc virus? Or are you suggesting it originated elsewhere? No anger, just want to get facts right. I was just about to ask the same. There is no disputing this started in China, I suspect some months before the Chinese admitted its existence. They have got off very lightly in my opinion.
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Horsham 03 Feb 21 11.34am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

So if it’s ok to label it where it first happens then surely there is nothing wrong with saying it is the Chinese virus that mutated into the South African, Brazilian, etc etc virus? Or are you suggesting it originated elsewhere?

No anger, just want to get facts right.

I was just about to ask the same. There is no disputing this started in China, I suspect some months before the Chinese admitted its existence. They have got off very lightly in my opinion.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Feb 21 3.49pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops So if it’s ok to label it where it first happens then surely there is nothing wrong with saying it is the Chinese virus that mutated into the South African, Brazilian, etc etc virus? Or are you suggesting it originated elsewhere? No anger, just want to get facts right. Best we wait for those facts to be known rather than make assumptions. Calling it the "China-virus", rather than Covid 19, was a political act. No-one calls it the "English, South African or Brazilian-virus". They are referred to, quite correctly, as Covid 19 variants, without attaching blame. That Covid 19 first emerged in China doesn't mean that China is to blame. Finding out how it emerged and whether any changes are needed is what the WHO are now doing. Then if blame is deserved it can be given. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (03 Feb 2021 3.50pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Feb 21 3.49pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

No anger, just want to get facts right.

Best we wait for those facts to be known rather than make assumptions.

Calling it the "China-virus", rather than Covid 19, was a political act. No-one calls it the "English, South African or Brazilian-virus". They are referred to, quite correctly, as Covid 19 variants, without attaching blame.

That Covid 19 first emerged in China doesn't mean that China is to blame. Finding out how it emerged and whether any changes are needed is what the WHO are now doing. Then if blame is deserved it can be given.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (03 Feb 2021 3.50pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 03 Feb 21 8.27pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC I want them held accountable. If it turns out it's from there and even their lackies can't hide it - what are we going to do? My immediate reaction is trade embargo until they pay compensation. Trouble is, they own too much of us and are too strong for us too. Boycott chinese take-aways! (Luckily. I am an accomplished hand at making the stuff, but will boycott with you in spirit).
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Any european country i fancy! 03 Feb 21 8.27pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Boycott chinese take-aways! (Luckily. I am an accomplished hand at making the stuff, but will boycott with you in spirit).

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Teddy Eagle 03 Feb 21 9.18pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Best we wait for those facts to be known rather than make assumptions. Calling it the "China-virus", rather than Covid 19, was a political act. No-one calls it the "English, South African or Brazilian-virus". They are referred to, quite correctly, as Covid 19 variants, without attaching blame. That Covid 19 first emerged in China doesn't mean that China is to blame. Finding out how it emerged and whether any changes are needed is what the WHO are now doing. Then if blame is deserved it can be given. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (03 Feb 2021 3.50pm) Isn’t it called Chinese because it was first identified in China? In the same way German Measles was first identified there.
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03 Feb 21 9.18pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Best we wait for those facts to be known rather than make assumptions.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (03 Feb 2021 3.50pm)

Isn’t it called Chinese because it was first identified in China? In the same way German Measles was first identified there.

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Mapletree Croydon 03 Feb 21 10.07pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Isn’t it called Chinese because it was first identified in China? In the same way German Measles was first identified there. It isn’t called Chinese it is called Covid after SARS-CoV-2 Spanish Flu was first identified in the USA. It was damaging to Spain that it was called Spanish Flu.
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Croydon 03 Feb 21 10.07pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Isn’t it called Chinese because it was first identified in China? In the same way German Measles was first identified there.

It isn’t called Chinese it is called Covid after SARS-CoV-2

Spanish Flu was first identified in the USA. It was damaging to Spain that it was called Spanish Flu.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Feb 21 10.07pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Isn’t it called Chinese because it was first identified in China? In the same way German Measles was first identified there. I had never thought about why German measles were so called so looked it up. It seems that using the description then was a tribute to the physicians who first identified it as a separate disease in 1814. Rather different from seeking to attach blame. The only person who repeatedly used the description "China-virus" was Trump and he was obviously doing so to deflect attention from his poor response and find someone else to blame, as was his standard modus operandi. That some don't like to acknowledge that as a fact doesn't mean it isn't true. The primary reason that anyone now uses the term "China-virus" is because of Trump. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 03 Feb 21 10.07pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Isn’t it called Chinese because it was first identified in China? In the same way German Measles was first identified there.

I had never thought about why German measles were so called so looked it up. It seems that using the description then was a tribute to the physicians who first identified it as a separate disease in 1814.

Rather different from seeking to attach blame. The only person who repeatedly used the description "China-virus" was Trump and he was obviously doing so to deflect attention from his poor response and find someone else to blame, as was his standard modus operandi.

That some don't like to acknowledge that as a fact doesn't mean it isn't true. The primary reason that anyone now uses the term "China-virus" is because of Trump.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Mapletree Croydon 03 Feb 21 10.11pm
Originally posted by Mapletree It isn’t called Chinese it is called Covid after SARS-CoV-2 Spanish Flu was first identified in the USA. It was damaging to Spain that it was called Spanish Flu. Rubella was first identified as a separate illness in Germany. I don’t believe it was unknown before that though, so no evidence it originated in Germany.
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Croydon 03 Feb 21 10.11pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

It isn’t called Chinese it is called Covid after SARS-CoV-2

Spanish Flu was first identified in the USA. It was damaging to Spain that it was called Spanish Flu.

Rubella was first identified as a separate illness in Germany. I don’t believe it was unknown before that though, so no evidence it originated in Germany.

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Stirlingsays 03 Feb 21 10.17pm
Originally posted by Mapletree It isn’t called Chinese it is called Covid after SARS-CoV-2 Spanish Flu was first identified in the USA. It was damaging to Spain that it was called Spanish Flu. Well, the original origins of the Spanish flu aren't known and are contested. I've heard of strong claims for China with it as well....viruses from China are common. However, large numbers died early on in Spain and that's why it gained its name. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Feb 21 10.17pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

It isn’t called Chinese it is called Covid after SARS-CoV-2

Spanish Flu was first identified in the USA. It was damaging to Spain that it was called Spanish Flu.

Well, the original origins of the Spanish flu aren't known and are contested. I've heard of strong claims for China with it as well....viruses from China are common.

However, large numbers died early on in Spain and that's why it gained its name.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 03 Feb 21 10.20pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Rubella was first identified as a separate illness in Germany. I don’t believe it was unknown before that though, so no evidence it originated in Germany. That's not the point....viruses are named after the places they first appear to come from...the reality may be or not be different.. ..so as you said to another poster. Whoosh. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2021 10.21pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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03 Feb 21 10.20pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Rubella was first identified as a separate illness in Germany. I don’t believe it was unknown before that though, so no evidence it originated in Germany.

That's not the point....viruses are named after the places they first appear to come from...the reality may be or not be different.. ..so as you said to another poster.

Whoosh.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Feb 2021 10.21pm)

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Teddy Eagle 03 Feb 21 10.20pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Rubella was first identified as a separate illness in Germany. I don’t believe it was unknown before that though, so no evidence it originated in Germany. German Measles is a different strain and was first identified in Germany. Regardless of it’s origin it was called German Measles because of that.
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Teddy Eagle

03 Feb 21 10.20pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Rubella was first identified as a separate illness in Germany. I don’t believe it was unknown before that though, so no evidence it originated in Germany.

German Measles is a different strain and was first identified in Germany. Regardless of it’s origin it was called German Measles because of that.

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Teddy Eagle 03 Feb 21 10.24pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I had never thought about why German measles were so called so looked it up. It seems that using the description then was a tribute to the physicians who first identified it as a separate disease in 1814. Rather different from seeking to attach blame. The only person who repeatedly used the description "China-virus" was Trump and he was obviously doing so to deflect attention from his poor response and find someone else to blame, as was his standard modus operandi. That some don't like to acknowledge that as a fact doesn't mean it isn't true. The primary reason that anyone now uses the term "China-virus" is because of Trump. This is the problem: one is named as a tribute, the other as a slur. But the outcome is the same.
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03 Feb 21 10.24pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That some don't like to acknowledge that as a fact doesn't mean it isn't true. The primary reason that anyone now uses the term "China-virus" is because of Trump.

This is the problem: one is named as a tribute, the other as a slur. But the outcome is the same.

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