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Tickled pink Cornwall 21 Mar 21 11.10am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't think that's realistic and while desirable it would still take many years before that could happen. Try being the guy who makes your argument to Boko Haram villages in Nigeria, Chad, Niger and Cameroon that everyone needs to take these new western jabs.....yeah, the fatality risk of being that guy is legions higher than not taking a vaccine. The reality is that outside of the west the world is very different and operates very differently especially the poorer and less global it is. It's far more realistic to take other measures before you wait for world wide take up of vaccines. People from this country and others are still traveling or happily arranging to travel to the countries where the organisation of them is as you say extremely difficult, but it is a fact that the South African variant of Covid is here now in this country and it didn't board a plane by itself ....I hope. Africa is still being blighted by Aids because of the funds and fear of medication, China has huge interest and gaining influence in this continent which is quite alarming for us but at the same interesting to see how they transform it's productivity and in saving it's cultural interests ....with existing lol.
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Cornwall 21 Mar 21 11.10am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't think that's realistic and while desirable it would still take many years before that could happen.

Try being the guy who makes your argument to Boko Haram villages in Nigeria, Chad, Niger and Cameroon that everyone needs to take these new western jabs.....yeah, the fatality risk of being that guy is legions higher than not taking a vaccine.

The reality is that outside of the west the world is very different and operates very differently especially the poorer and less global it is.

It's far more realistic to take other measures before you wait for world wide take up of vaccines.

People from this country and others are still traveling or happily arranging to travel to the countries where the organisation of them is as you say extremely difficult, but it is a fact that the South African variant of Covid is here now in this country and it didn't board a plane by itself ....I hope.
Africa is still being blighted by Aids because of the funds and fear of medication, China has huge interest and gaining influence in this continent which is quite alarming for us but at the same interesting to see how they transform it's productivity and in saving it's cultural interests ....with existing lol.

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Stirlingsays 21 Mar 21 11.21am
Originally posted by Tickled pink People from this country and others are still traveling or happily arranging to travel to the countries where the organisation of them is as you say extremely difficult, but it is a fact that the South African variant of Covid is here now in this country and it didn't board a plane by itself ....I hope. Africa is still being blighted by Aids because of the funds and fear of medication, China has huge interest and gaining influence in this continent which is quite alarming for us but at the same interesting to see how they transform it's productivity and in saving it's cultural interests ....with existing lol. The nature of the modern globalised world means that air travel is a major part of finance and leisure and everything in-between. Like the Internet it's a double edged sword (like most things in life). In one respect ease and speed of transportation is essential for first world economies but in another it speeds up the transportation of viruses and anything else negative as well. There's a trade off at some point obviously....but where that is I don't know. Realistically I've never been of the view that a virus can be kept out.....However, there's little doubt that countries which learnt from Sar 1 definitely implemented travel lockdowns and track and trace early and effectively. South Korea and others did that (due to a healthy distrust of China)..and track and trace can be really effective if implemented straight away on reducing early death tolls. However, over time it becomes less effective because you just can't keep down a highly infectious virus unless you have effective vaccines for it.....which has only just been the case. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Mar 2021 11.22am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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21 Mar 21 11.21am

Originally posted by Tickled pink

The nature of the modern globalised world means that air travel is a major part of finance and leisure and everything in-between.

Like the Internet it's a double edged sword (like most things in life). In one respect ease and speed of transportation is essential for first world economies but in another it speeds up the transportation of viruses and anything else negative as well.

There's a trade off at some point obviously....but where that is I don't know.

Realistically I've never been of the view that a virus can be kept out.....However, there's little doubt that countries which learnt from Sar 1 definitely implemented travel lockdowns and track and trace early and effectively. South Korea and others did that (due to a healthy distrust of China)..and track and trace can be really effective if implemented straight away on reducing early death tolls.

However, over time it becomes less effective because you just can't keep down a highly infectious virus unless you have effective vaccines for it.....which has only just been the case.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Mar 2021 11.22am)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 Mar 21 11.43am
Originally posted by Tickled pink The risk is increasing every day that someone will develop a much nastier mutant simply because of the increasing numbers of humans with this virus around the globe, it is not until all the countries are in the same situation we are in now that we'll be able to safely start thinking about going back to normal. As Stirling said, it’s completely unrealistic. You’re essentially saying is we could require hundreds of different vaccines for different variants. If we’re going to stop the world this year then we may as well stop the world indefinitely. The people who believe in this either have gone nuts or were nuts in the first place and this has exposed their odd characters. Mary Ramsay on 43 mins on Marr on Sunday wants low level restrictions until covid is either under control or eradicated around the world for another few years. Sums them all up. I expect that’ll mean travel and everything. Cancel the relaxing of restrictions this year and stay like this. She even thinks the economy can take it. Dangerous people. Not to be trusted. No risk to their livelihood or current existence. Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Mar 2021 1.00pm) COYP
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Caterham 21 Mar 21 11.43am

Originally posted by Tickled pink

The risk is increasing every day that someone will develop a much nastier mutant simply because of the increasing numbers of humans with this virus around the globe, it is not until all the countries are in the same situation we are in now that we'll be able to safely start thinking about going back to normal.

As Stirling said, it’s completely unrealistic. You’re essentially saying is we could require hundreds of different vaccines for different variants. If we’re going to stop the world this year then we may as well stop the world indefinitely. The people who believe in this either have gone nuts or were nuts in the first place and this has exposed their odd characters. Mary Ramsay on 43 mins on Marr on Sunday wants low level restrictions until covid is either under control or eradicated around the world for another few years. Sums them all up. I expect that’ll mean travel and everything. Cancel the relaxing of restrictions this year and stay like this. She even thinks the economy can take it. Dangerous people. Not to be trusted. No risk to their livelihood or current existence.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Mar 2021 1.00pm)

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Eden Eagle Kent 21 Mar 21 12.24pm
Originally posted by Tickled pink Agree 100%, This virus needs controlling and at the moment it's rampaging although not so much in our country but everywhere where these same people seem to also think it's safe to travel to, utter morons all of them, we have a huge risk due to the large numbers of people with this virus at the moment with mutations which could quite easily render our vaccine work so far down the sewer, too many ignorant and dumb people walking about. Edited by Tickled pink (21 Mar 2021 9.19am) So what you are saying is that the vaccines don’t work then?
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Kent 21 Mar 21 12.24pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Agree 100%, This virus needs controlling and at the moment it's rampaging although not so much in our country but everywhere where these same people seem to also think it's safe to travel to, utter morons all of them, we have a huge risk due to the large numbers of people with this virus at the moment with mutations which could quite easily render our vaccine work so far down the sewer, too many ignorant and dumb people walking about.

Edited by Tickled pink (21 Mar 2021 9.19am)

So what you are saying is that the vaccines don’t work then?

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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Mar 21 1.02pm
Originally posted by Tickled pink The actual getting there requires you to sit and or stand quite near to strangers and for well over the allotted risk/safe time of fifteen minutes and all the time you run the higher risk of catching a new nastier variant of this horrible bug rendering the vaccine you've had redundant and useless, we'd all get out of this situation much much quicker if everyone around the whole world just kept themselves to themselves! ..very frustrating it is. Yup I forgot to mention that. Last Sept I went to Poland its a 3.5 hour flight but I think I wore a mask for about 8 hours that day. As for the time in Poalnd each day I was wearing a mask for about the same 8 hours. I know people who hate wearing a mask for more than a few minutes they need to bear this in mind if they want to travel. Edited by Badger11 (21 Mar 2021 1.03pm) One more point
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Beckenham 21 Mar 21 1.02pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

The actual getting there requires you to sit and or stand quite near to strangers and for well over the allotted risk/safe time of fifteen minutes and all the time you run the higher risk of catching a new nastier variant of this horrible bug rendering the vaccine you've had redundant and useless, we'd all get out of this situation much much quicker if everyone around the whole world just kept themselves to themselves! ..very frustrating it is.

Yup I forgot to mention that. Last Sept I went to Poland its a 3.5 hour flight but I think I wore a mask for about 8 hours that day. As for the time in Poalnd each day I was wearing a mask for about the same 8 hours.

I know people who hate wearing a mask for more than a few minutes they need to bear this in mind if they want to travel.

Edited by Badger11 (21 Mar 2021 1.03pm)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 Mar 21 1.54pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Yup I forgot to mention that. Last Sept I went to Poland its a 3.5 hour flight but I think I wore a mask for about 8 hours that day. As for the time in Poalnd each day I was wearing a mask for about the same 8 hours. I know people who hate wearing a mask for more than a few minutes they need to bear this in mind if they want to travel. Edited by Badger11 (21 Mar 2021 1.03pm) On a flight you can accept, but don’t tell me everyone keeps them on. Plus people eat and drink anyway. Outside abroad? In hospitality venues? Nah. Fvck off. Some countries will get all the tourists. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 21 Mar 21 1.54pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I know people who hate wearing a mask for more than a few minutes they need to bear this in mind if they want to travel.

Edited by Badger11 (21 Mar 2021 1.03pm)

On a flight you can accept, but don’t tell me everyone keeps them on. Plus people eat and drink anyway. Outside abroad? In hospitality venues? Nah. Fvck off. Some countries will get all the tourists.

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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Mar 21 2.23pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman On a flight you can accept, but don’t tell me everyone keeps them on. Plus people eat and drink anyway. Outside abroad? In hospitality venues? Nah. Fvck off. Some countries will get all the tourists. Of course people will ignore the rules people still break the speed limit. As for the rules they vary by country try walking around Italy in the open without a mask. I went to the airport by train so wore the mask had breakfast at a diner in the airport removed mask for about 20 minutes at the table then back on. In Warsaw we were picked up by coach and told to keep masks on even in the hotel except your room. It was about 8 hours a long day before I could remove it. The following days we were sight seeing, except when we were walking in the open we all wore our masks. Every building we went into we had them on and I got told off for forgetting one time. Average time each day about 8 hours maybe longer. Just saying if you don't like wearing a mask it can ruin your holiday. Obviously a beach holiday will be different but you still have the airport and flight to cope with. Edited by Badger11 (21 Mar 2021 2.25pm) One more point
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Beckenham 21 Mar 21 2.23pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Of course people will ignore the rules people still break the speed limit. As for the rules they vary by country try walking around Italy in the open without a mask.

I went to the airport by train so wore the mask had breakfast at a diner in the airport removed mask for about 20 minutes at the table then back on. In Warsaw we were picked up by coach and told to keep masks on even in the hotel except your room. It was about 8 hours a long day before I could remove it.

The following days we were sight seeing, except when we were walking in the open we all wore our masks. Every building we went into we had them on and I got told off for forgetting one time. Average time each day about 8 hours maybe longer.

Just saying if you don't like wearing a mask it can ruin your holiday. Obviously a beach holiday will be different but you still have the airport and flight to cope with.

Edited by Badger11 (21 Mar 2021 2.25pm)

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 21 Mar 21 7.29pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman As Stirling said, it’s completely unrealistic. You’re essentially saying is we could require hundreds of different vaccines for different variants. If we’re going to stop the world this year then we may as well stop the world indefinitely. The people who believe in this either have gone nuts or were nuts in the first place and this has exposed their odd characters. Mary Ramsay on 43 mins on Marr on Sunday wants low level restrictions until covid is either under control or eradicated around the world for another few years. Sums them all up. I expect that’ll mean travel and everything. Cancel the relaxing of restrictions this year and stay like this. She even thinks the economy can take it. Dangerous people. Not to be trusted. No risk to their livelihood or current existence. Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Mar 2021 1.00pm) This is a bit over the top Out of the 4000+ (probably double that now) mutations so far, only a handful have been an issue. And from what I can read all of the vaccines pre mutation still retain a reasonable effect regardless. I really don’t see the problem in requiring annual booster jabs that are tweaked according to whatever mutation is deemed problematic enough to be included. There is some validity in what is being said - I theorised about this months ago but essentially if the whole world was being vaccinated and continuing to be regularly vaccinated at the same time, no problem. Whether or not we vaccinate ourselves in entirety has little bearing on global restrictions being extended until most countries are up to speed. It does however benefit our economy. As has been said international travel is so commonplace, high volume and essential to economies these days that even if we’re all fine, there will always be plenty of people in close proximity when travelling internationally that will not. And that will persist for some time yet I still see masks and distancing being in effect on and off for the next 2 years at a minimum. 10 years until we no longer even talk about it, or worry about it, and it becomes as boring, manageable and everyday as the flu. Edited by SW19 CPFC (21 Mar 2021 7.32pm) Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 21 Mar 21 7.29pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Edited by Rudi Hedman (21 Mar 2021 1.00pm)

This is a bit over the top

Out of the 4000+ (probably double that now) mutations so far, only a handful have been an issue. And from what I can read all of the vaccines pre mutation still retain a reasonable effect regardless.

I really don’t see the problem in requiring annual booster jabs that are tweaked according to whatever mutation is deemed problematic enough to be included.

There is some validity in what is being said - I theorised about this months ago but essentially if the whole world was being vaccinated and continuing to be regularly vaccinated at the same time, no problem.

Whether or not we vaccinate ourselves in entirety has little bearing on global restrictions being extended until most countries are up to speed. It does however benefit our economy. As has been said international travel is so commonplace, high volume and essential to economies these days that even if we’re all fine, there will always be plenty of people in close proximity when travelling internationally that will not. And that will persist for some time yet

I still see masks and distancing being in effect on and off for the next 2 years at a minimum.

10 years until we no longer even talk about it, or worry about it, and it becomes as boring, manageable and everyday as the flu.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (21 Mar 2021 7.32pm)

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 21 Mar 21 7.34pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Of course people will ignore the rules people still break the speed limit. As for the rules they vary by country try walking around Italy in the open without a mask. I went to the airport by train so wore the mask had breakfast at a diner in the airport removed mask for about 20 minutes at the table then back on. In Warsaw we were picked up by coach and told to keep masks on even in the hotel except your room. It was about 8 hours a long day before I could remove it. The following days we were sight seeing, except when we were walking in the open we all wore our masks. Every building we went into we had them on and I got told off for forgetting one time. Average time each day about 8 hours maybe longer. Just saying if you don't like wearing a mask it can ruin your holiday. Obviously a beach holiday will be different but you still have the airport and flight to cope with. Edited by Badger11 (21 Mar 2021 2.25pm) They’ve conducted a small scale festival experiment in Holland - people were tested to make sure they were negative (of course the silly thing there is the tests aren’t that accurate but I’ll let the way they prevented that as ‘Covid free’ slide) and had to wear masks at all times Needless to say the masks all came off within a few hours. People and all that Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 21 Mar 21 7.34pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Of course people will ignore the rules people still break the speed limit. As for the rules they vary by country try walking around Italy in the open without a mask.

Just saying if you don't like wearing a mask it can ruin your holiday. Obviously a beach holiday will be different but you still have the airport and flight to cope with.

Edited by Badger11 (21 Mar 2021 2.25pm)

They’ve conducted a small scale festival experiment in Holland - people were tested to make sure they were negative (of course the silly thing there is the tests aren’t that accurate but I’ll let the way they prevented that as ‘Covid free’ slide) and had to wear masks at all times

Needless to say the masks all came off within a few hours. People and all that

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Lombardinho London 21 Mar 21 7.45pm
Originally posted by Eden Eagle Well done Lombardinho - good work sir! Thanks Eden. Tips hat (as Stirling would say).
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London 21 Mar 21 7.45pm

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Well done Lombardinho - good work sir!

Thanks Eden. Tips hat (as Stirling would say).

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Lombardinho London 21 Mar 21 7.50pm
Originally posted by Tickled pink The amount of people booking holidays is unbelievable, where exactly are they going to go? I'm glad not all of us interpret the world we live in the same as you, Tickled pink.
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London 21 Mar 21 7.50pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

The amount of people booking holidays is unbelievable, where exactly are they going to go?

I'm glad not all of us interpret the world we live in the same as you, Tickled pink.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Mar 21 8.05pm
Originally posted by Cpfc1861 Got mine Tuesday I'm a once a week or less these days myself. Usually a Friday or Sunday though now. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 21 Mar 21 8.05pm

Originally posted by Cpfc1861

Got mine Tuesday

I'm a once a week or less these days myself. Usually a Friday or Sunday though now.

Red and Blue Army!

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