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jamiemartin721 Reading 17 May 16 12.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
What Boris really thinks and in his own words: "It was his [Churchill] idea to bring these countries together. To bind them so indissolubly that they could never go to war again. And who can deny today that this idea has been a spectacular success? Together with NATO (another institution for which he can claim joint credit) the European Community, now Union, has delivered a period of peace and prosperity for its people as long as any since the days of the Antonine emperors”. Irrespective of what Boris thinks, Churchill was quite pro-Europe, although I think he might have drawn lines in the sand regarding the EU as a political rather than social-economic entity. Certainly he was one of the key proponents of the idea of a European Court that ratified and resolved conflicts in UK law (a wise and astute decision). As I see it, only the ECHR should be passing down rulings (or rather advisories) to members states (as its asked for a ruling by the member state in questions own appeals court). The EU should serve not to dictate to states, but to serve the common shared interests of members. For example, shared criminal record data of member states and border control systems. This is easier to facilitate if one entity collects and provides data and systems hardware, rather than 22. Something that benefits all member states, not just the interest of a few power lobbies within some states. But then its worth noting that Churchill wasn't particularly cut out for peace time politics.
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Kermit8 Hevon 17 May 16 12.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Good stuff Kermy ... but it doesn't "trump" the revelation yesterday that Osborne has teamed up with Ed Balls to promote the economic arguments for the Remain campaign... having previously trashed Balls' economic reputation (when Balls wasn't doing that himself) There are now a pretty formidable team of w@nkers, liars, underachievers and u turners on the Remain camp... Blair I do hope they don't put Blunkett in goal! So you have run out of arguments why we should leave the EU and are resorting to character assassinations. Nice little 25% profit to be had with the bookies looking at the above link
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Rubin 17 May 16 12.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
What Boris really thinks and in his own words: "It was his [Churchill] idea to bring these countries together. To bind them so indissolubly that they could never go to war again. And who can deny today that this idea has been a spectacular success? Together with NATO (another institution for which he can claim joint credit) the European Community, now Union, has delivered a period of peace and prosperity for its people as long as any since the days of the Antonine emperors”. The unofficial leader of Brexit. Ever feel you've been had? Do you seriously think that the majority of people who are going to vote leave are doing so because of Boris Johnson?
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Kermit8 Hevon 17 May 16 12.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Rubin
Do you seriously think that the majority of people who are going to vote leave are doing so because of Boris Johnson? No, but it would be wise to take in his words above before deciding.
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 17 May 16 1.31pm | |
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The war, Churchill, NATO have the square root of fcuk all to do with why the modern voter/adult wants in or out of Europe. Anyway the Europe Churchill envisioned bears no resemblance to the farce it has now become.
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Kermit8 Hevon 17 May 16 1.34pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
The war, Churchill, NATO have the square root of fcuk all to do with why the modern voter/adult wants in or out of Europe. Anyway the Europe Churchill envisioned bears no resemblance to the farce it has now become. My vote says you are totally 100% wrong here. You haven't got your finger on all the pulses you know. Edited by Kermit8 (17 May 2016 1.35pm)
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 17 May 16 2.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
My vote says you are totally 100% wrong here. You haven't got your finger on all the pulses you know.
The Great War and WW2 hmmmmm yes I think my Great Grandad was in WW2 he'd be over a hundred right now, so yes I can see how WW2 would effect vast swathes of voters 70 odd years after the event. You wouldn't say people would be more swayed over topics such as : Trade WW2 had a profound effect on the European political/geographical map no doubt but 70 years later ? really Kerm are you that desperate to stick to your guns that you start believing the shyte issuing fourth from Cameron's Gob. Have a nap you'll feel better. Edited by Kermit8 (17 May 2016 1.35pm) Edited by dannyh (17 May 2016 2.31pm)
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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 17 May 16 2.38pm | |
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Lloyd’s chairman John Nelson today came down firmly on the ‘remain’ side of the EU referendum debate, warning there would be ‘no regulatory nirvana’ if Britain opted for Brexit. Speaking today at the Lloyd’s of London AGM, Nelson said: “I feel I must respond to some of the assertions being made by the leave campaign in terms of Brexit consequences. It is irresponsible of politicians to pretend that the benefits of a single market can be replicated outside of the EU. In our case, if we were to leave the EU, we would have no right of access to the EU markets without signing up to EU regulations - and indeed incur the financial consequences of contributions to the EU – as happens to other countries within Europe who are outside the EU.
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Kermit8 Hevon 17 May 16 2.38pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
Edited by dannyh (17 May 2016 2.31pm)
It's really that black and white. Either you get it or you don't.
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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 17 May 16 4.04pm | |
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The Bank of England is having daily talks with banks in a bid to protect the financial system in the event the UK votes to leave the EU. Deputy governor Andrew Bailey, soon to be FCA chief executive, told a regulation conference all lenders were preparing contingency plans, according to The Times. Bailey said: “All the banks are looking at this very actively.” He added: “We have not seen any evidence of sterling funding issues at all. Generally the challenge for banks these days is to get a return on funding rather than finding funding.” Yesterday, ratings agency Fitch warned the pound could drop in value by a third on a leave vote. In addition, house prices could slump by a quarter, putting intense pressure on lenders’ balance sheets, it said. Bailey also defended the central bank’s decision to comment publically about Brexit, saying “we would be failing in our job if we didn’t”. He added the City had “no god-given right” to remain a global banking centre and that its standing would be under threat if the UK exited the EU. Last month governor Mark Carney said a Brexit vote was “the most significant near-term domestic risks to financial stability”.
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Hoof Hearted 17 May 16 5.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
So you have run out of arguments why we should leave the EU and are resorting to character assassinations. Nice little 25% profit to be had with the bookies looking at the above link Since you don't listen to arguments in support of Brexit, I thought I'd try pointing out the characters on your team... who pretty much have assassinated themselves if not their careers. I would also remind you that Leicester were 5000/1 to win the Premier League last August. Oh yes.... and furthermore you and your cohorts are not above a bit of "character assassination" when it suits your agenda...... Boris, Nigel......
Edited by Hoof Hearted (18 May 2016 10.42am)
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JohnyBoy 17 May 16 6.34pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
But these poor souls are the ones that the left want us to feed and clothe over here, Ed Milliband was only saying yesterday that refugee camps should be disbanded and instead people of the like you have mentioned would be allowed to wonder straight into a nice new house, while we still have homeless vetrans and kids on our streets. You can't have it both ways Johnny. And I think the terms dogs abuse is a tad over the top, mentioning that you manufacture figures to suit your own "remain" agenda is hardly dogs abuse is it? Oh and the entire post you just put together is subjective and pure conjecture on your part, not to mention the one gaping whole in your post, its utterly devoid of any factual repost to my point. chin chin. Edited by dannyh (17 May 2016 11.59am) I'll rise above the insults then Danny, but ofcourse it is my subjective opinion when i talk of the far right in european politics targetting the disenfranchised to point out the failings in the system. Its what the far left and right always do - you asked me what about disabled veteranz and ofcourse i want to see them looked after properly but what the far right would like you to think is that its all the fault of muslims or migrants why veterans arent looked after properly...ITS NOT! Its the fault of successive governments not spending enough money on it....which at end of the day is decided by the electorate....i think though if you asked the electorate should every soldier who has ever done a tour of afghanistan or iraq get a house and large allowance for life they would probably vote against if they were being honest because the tax bill would be too high, so using these emotive examples is almost absurd...i.e. if you care about blind puppies then donate £1000 if not "your a heartless b@stard, who would rather give luxury holidays to migrant"...i.e. its just not a viable argument
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