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Shame your sh1t fans aren't as vocal as you at supporting your club. YAWN! this old rubbish comment. What do you know about how vocal our fans are? Like all fans. Sometimes they are fantastic and sometimes they aren't so good. I have experienced both. At WBA away the Chelsea fans were fantastic! Your own Manager said you were s***, and also (im assuming - because we were so quiet) clapped us Palace fans IN YOUR OWN GROUND. The loudest thing ever sung at your ground is "is this the Emirates". If Palace ever get some multi gazillionaire Russian crook to pay anyone we want, I hope and prey it doesnt lead to boring prawn sandwhich munchers like your good self flooding Selhurst and ruining one of the, if not the best atmospheres of any Premiership ground. Wow you managed to write all that without any reference to facts!! Lots of assumption and lots of nonsense!! No Assumption, No Nonsense, JUST FACTS. Jose DID clap Palace Fans in your Ground, I was there I witnessed it. Your Ground IS quiet. Abramovich HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED more times than you've fallen asleep at the Bridge, hence Crook. And the last comment I made about hoping an influx of foreign wealth doesnt ruin the atmosphere at Selhurst is just that A HOPE. Youy really are a bit on the dim side . DIM? HA HA Reading what someone actually says is really important if you are going to comment on it. On Abramovich, I think you need to firstly understand the rule of law. Just because a person may be investigated it doesn't mean they are guilty. Its pretty dim to suggest that a person is a crook when he hasn't actually been convicted of anything. I'd also add for you to show me the evidence of THESE INVESTIGATIONS?!?!?! Who has investigated him and what were their LEGAL conclusions? You talk so called 'facts' BUT have actually only stated ONE (that Jose clapped you). And with that one I cant verify if its fact or nor as I didn't witness it. Div.
Don't get me wrong I'd love a wealthy benefactor to take over Palace and we could sign the worlds best and keep them on the bench, however I would draw the line if that benefactor was clearly embroiled in some very unsavoury dealings, and bought his way out of jail. P.P.S. Div.
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Shame your sh1t fans aren't as vocal as you at supporting your club. YAWN! this old rubbish comment. What do you know about how vocal our fans are? Like all fans. Sometimes they are fantastic and sometimes they aren't so good. I have experienced both. At WBA away the Chelsea fans were fantastic! Your own Manager said you were s***, and also (im assuming - because we were so quiet) clapped us Palace fans IN YOUR OWN GROUND. The loudest thing ever sung at your ground is "is this the Emirates". If Palace ever get some multi gazillionaire Russian crook to pay anyone we want, I hope and prey it doesnt lead to boring prawn sandwhich munchers like your good self flooding Selhurst and ruining one of the, if not the best atmospheres of any Premiership ground. Wow you managed to write all that without any reference to facts!! Lots of assumption and lots of nonsense!! No Assumption, No Nonsense, JUST FACTS. Jose DID clap Palace Fans in your Ground, I was there I witnessed it. Your Ground IS quiet. Abramovich HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED more times than you've fallen asleep at the Bridge, hence Crook. And the last comment I made about hoping an influx of foreign wealth doesnt ruin the atmosphere at Selhurst is just that A HOPE. Youy really are a bit on the dim side . DIM? HA HA Reading what someone actually says is really important if you are going to comment on it. On Abramovich, I think you need to firstly understand the rule of law. Just because a person may be investigated it doesn't mean they are guilty. Its pretty dim to suggest that a person is a crook when he hasn't actually been convicted of anything. I'd also add for you to show me the evidence of THESE INVESTIGATIONS?!?!?! Who has investigated him and what were their LEGAL conclusions? You talk so called 'facts' BUT have actually only stated ONE (that Jose clapped you). And with that one I cant verify if its fact or nor as I didn't witness it. Div.
Don't get me wrong I'd love a wealthy benefactor to take over Palace and we could sign the worlds best and keep them on the bench, however I would draw the line if that benefactor was clearly embroiled in some very unsavoury dealings, and bought his way out of jail. P.P.S. Div. Blimey, did you actually read the article?!?!??! It was the Guardian BUT they were reporting on statements made by Boris Berezovsky!!!! Boris Berezovsky attempted to bring a legal action against Abramovich. The Guardian was reporting on his evidence. Boris Berezovsky lost the case with the judge basically calling him a liar!!! I find it amazing that you cant understand this!!! Just because a paper reports a statement made from someone it doesn't make that statement true!! They have reported on Jack Warner stating he has done nothing wrong. Does that mean that's true?? As I have said numerous times!! Show me the evidence!What you and others have presented is NOT evidence!! Its anecdotal statements with no basis in fact. When has Abramovich been convicted or even charged with the offenses you and others say he has committed? PS Just because you want something to be true it doesn't mean it is and definitely doesn't make your opinion fact. Edited by chelski (11 Jun 2015 9.04am)
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Shame your sh1t fans aren't as vocal as you at supporting your club. YAWN! this old rubbish comment. What do you know about how vocal our fans are? Like all fans. Sometimes they are fantastic and sometimes they aren't so good. I have experienced both. At WBA away the Chelsea fans were fantastic! Your own Manager said you were s***, and also (im assuming - because we were so quiet) clapped us Palace fans IN YOUR OWN GROUND. The loudest thing ever sung at your ground is "is this the Emirates". If Palace ever get some multi gazillionaire Russian crook to pay anyone we want, I hope and prey it doesnt lead to boring prawn sandwhich munchers like your good self flooding Selhurst and ruining one of the, if not the best atmospheres of any Premiership ground. Wow you managed to write all that without any reference to facts!! Lots of assumption and lots of nonsense!! No Assumption, No Nonsense, JUST FACTS. Jose DID clap Palace Fans in your Ground, I was there I witnessed it. Your Ground IS quiet. Abramovich HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED more times than you've fallen asleep at the Bridge, hence Crook. And the last comment I made about hoping an influx of foreign wealth doesnt ruin the atmosphere at Selhurst is just that A HOPE. Youy really are a bit on the dim side . DIM? HA HA Reading what someone actually says is really important if you are going to comment on it. On Abramovich, I think you need to firstly understand the rule of law. Just because a person may be investigated it doesn't mean they are guilty. Its pretty dim to suggest that a person is a crook when he hasn't actually been convicted of anything. I'd also add for you to show me the evidence of THESE INVESTIGATIONS?!?!?! Who has investigated him and what were their LEGAL conclusions? You talk so called 'facts' BUT have actually only stated ONE (that Jose clapped you). And with that one I cant verify if its fact or nor as I didn't witness it. Div.
Don't get me wrong I'd love a wealthy benefactor to take over Palace and we could sign the worlds best and keep them on the bench, however I would draw the line if that benefactor was clearly embroiled in some very unsavoury dealings, and bought his way out of jail. P.P.S. Div. Blimey, did you actually read the article?!?!??! It was the Guardian BUT they were reporting on statements made by Boris Berezovsky!!!! Boris Berezovsky attempted to bring a legal action against Abramovich. The Guardian was reporting on his evidence. Boris Berezovsky lost the case with the judge basically calling him a liar!!! I find it amazing that you cant understand this!!! Just because a paper reports a statement made from someone it doesn't make that statement true!! They have reported on Jack Warner stating he has done nothing wrong. Does that mean that's true?? As I have said numerous times!! Show me the evidence!What you and others have presented is NOT evidence!! Its anecdotal statements with no basis in fact. When has Abramovich been convicted or even charged with the offenses you and others say he has committed? PS Just because you want something to be true it doesn't mean it is and definitely doesn't make your opinion fact. Edited by chelski (11 Jun 2015 9.04am) Jeezus wept moosh you still bl00dy here, 83 pages to tell us Palace 1 chelsea 5. And yes you got it right, well done.
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Shame your sh1t fans aren't as vocal as you at supporting your club. YAWN! this old rubbish comment. What do you know about how vocal our fans are? Like all fans. Sometimes they are fantastic and sometimes they aren't so good. I have experienced both. At WBA away the Chelsea fans were fantastic! Your own Manager said you were s***, and also (im assuming - because we were so quiet) clapped us Palace fans IN YOUR OWN GROUND. The loudest thing ever sung at your ground is "is this the Emirates". If Palace ever get some multi gazillionaire Russian crook to pay anyone we want, I hope and prey it doesnt lead to boring prawn sandwhich munchers like your good self flooding Selhurst and ruining one of the, if not the best atmospheres of any Premiership ground. Wow you managed to write all that without any reference to facts!! Lots of assumption and lots of nonsense!! No Assumption, No Nonsense, JUST FACTS. Jose DID clap Palace Fans in your Ground, I was there I witnessed it. Your Ground IS quiet. Abramovich HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED more times than you've fallen asleep at the Bridge, hence Crook. And the last comment I made about hoping an influx of foreign wealth doesnt ruin the atmosphere at Selhurst is just that A HOPE. Youy really are a bit on the dim side . DIM? HA HA Reading what someone actually says is really important if you are going to comment on it. On Abramovich, I think you need to firstly understand the rule of law. Just because a person may be investigated it doesn't mean they are guilty. Its pretty dim to suggest that a person is a crook when he hasn't actually been convicted of anything. I'd also add for you to show me the evidence of THESE INVESTIGATIONS?!?!?! Who has investigated him and what were their LEGAL conclusions? You talk so called 'facts' BUT have actually only stated ONE (that Jose clapped you). And with that one I cant verify if its fact or nor as I didn't witness it. Div.
Don't get me wrong I'd love a wealthy benefactor to take over Palace and we could sign the worlds best and keep them on the bench, however I would draw the line if that benefactor was clearly embroiled in some very unsavoury dealings, and bought his way out of jail. P.P.S. Div. Blimey, did you actually read the article?!?!??! It was the Guardian BUT they were reporting on statements made by Boris Berezovsky!!!! Boris Berezovsky attempted to bring a legal action against Abramovich. The Guardian was reporting on his evidence. Boris Berezovsky lost the case with the judge basically calling him a liar!!! I find it amazing that you cant understand this!!! Just because a paper reports a statement made from someone it doesn't make that statement true!! They have reported on Jack Warner stating he has done nothing wrong. Does that mean that's true?? As I have said numerous times!! Show me the evidence!What you and others have presented is NOT evidence!! Its anecdotal statements with no basis in fact. When has Abramovich been convicted or even charged with the offenses you and others say he has committed? PS Just because you want something to be true it doesn't mean it is and definitely doesn't make your opinion fact. Edited by chelski (11 Jun 2015 9.04am) Jeezus wept moosh you still bl00dy here, 83 pages to tell us Palace 1 chelsea 5. And yes you got it right, well done. Yes of course the whole thread is about the original statement. well done!
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Shame your sh1t fans aren't as vocal as you at supporting your club. YAWN! this old rubbish comment. What do you know about how vocal our fans are? Like all fans. Sometimes they are fantastic and sometimes they aren't so good. I have experienced both. At WBA away the Chelsea fans were fantastic! Your own Manager said you were s***, and also (im assuming - because we were so quiet) clapped us Palace fans IN YOUR OWN GROUND. The loudest thing ever sung at your ground is "is this the Emirates". If Palace ever get some multi gazillionaire Russian crook to pay anyone we want, I hope and prey it doesnt lead to boring prawn sandwhich munchers like your good self flooding Selhurst and ruining one of the, if not the best atmospheres of any Premiership ground. Wow you managed to write all that without any reference to facts!! Lots of assumption and lots of nonsense!! No Assumption, No Nonsense, JUST FACTS. Jose DID clap Palace Fans in your Ground, I was there I witnessed it. Your Ground IS quiet. Abramovich HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED more times than you've fallen asleep at the Bridge, hence Crook. And the last comment I made about hoping an influx of foreign wealth doesnt ruin the atmosphere at Selhurst is just that A HOPE. Youy really are a bit on the dim side . DIM? HA HA Reading what someone actually says is really important if you are going to comment on it. On Abramovich, I think you need to firstly understand the rule of law. Just because a person may be investigated it doesn't mean they are guilty. Its pretty dim to suggest that a person is a crook when he hasn't actually been convicted of anything. I'd also add for you to show me the evidence of THESE INVESTIGATIONS?!?!?! Who has investigated him and what were their LEGAL conclusions? You talk so called 'facts' BUT have actually only stated ONE (that Jose clapped you). And with that one I cant verify if its fact or nor as I didn't witness it. Div.
Don't get me wrong I'd love a wealthy benefactor to take over Palace and we could sign the worlds best and keep them on the bench, however I would draw the line if that benefactor was clearly embroiled in some very unsavoury dealings, and bought his way out of jail. P.P.S. Div. Blimey, did you actually read the article?!?!??! It was the Guardian BUT they were reporting on statements made by Boris Berezovsky!!!! Boris Berezovsky attempted to bring a legal action against Abramovich. The Guardian was reporting on his evidence. Boris Berezovsky lost the case with the judge basically calling him a liar!!! I find it amazing that you cant understand this!!! Just because a paper reports a statement made from someone it doesn't make that statement true!! They have reported on Jack Warner stating he has done nothing wrong. Does that mean that's true?? As I have said numerous times!! Show me the evidence!What you and others have presented is NOT evidence!! Its anecdotal statements with no basis in fact. When has Abramovich been convicted or even charged with the offenses you and others say he has committed? PS Just because you want something to be true it doesn't mean it is and definitely doesn't make your opinion fact. Edited by chelski (11 Jun 2015 9.04am) Jeezus wept moosh you still bl00dy here, 83 pages to tell us Palace 1 chelsea 5. And yes you got it right, well done. Yes of course the whole thread is about the original statement. well done! Long winded or what, and of course I want you to have the last word as you like to do, so go ahead and it's goodnight from me.
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Shame your sh1t fans aren't as vocal as you at supporting your club. YAWN! this old rubbish comment. What do you know about how vocal our fans are? Like all fans. Sometimes they are fantastic and sometimes they aren't so good. I have experienced both. At WBA away the Chelsea fans were fantastic! Your own Manager said you were s***, and also (im assuming - because we were so quiet) clapped us Palace fans IN YOUR OWN GROUND. The loudest thing ever sung at your ground is "is this the Emirates". If Palace ever get some multi gazillionaire Russian crook to pay anyone we want, I hope and prey it doesnt lead to boring prawn sandwhich munchers like your good self flooding Selhurst and ruining one of the, if not the best atmospheres of any Premiership ground. Wow you managed to write all that without any reference to facts!! Lots of assumption and lots of nonsense!! No Assumption, No Nonsense, JUST FACTS. Jose DID clap Palace Fans in your Ground, I was there I witnessed it. Your Ground IS quiet. Abramovich HAS BEEN INVESTIGATED more times than you've fallen asleep at the Bridge, hence Crook. And the last comment I made about hoping an influx of foreign wealth doesnt ruin the atmosphere at Selhurst is just that A HOPE. Youy really are a bit on the dim side . DIM? HA HA Reading what someone actually says is really important if you are going to comment on it. On Abramovich, I think you need to firstly understand the rule of law. Just because a person may be investigated it doesn't mean they are guilty. Its pretty dim to suggest that a person is a crook when he hasn't actually been convicted of anything. I'd also add for you to show me the evidence of THESE INVESTIGATIONS?!?!?! Who has investigated him and what were their LEGAL conclusions? You talk so called 'facts' BUT have actually only stated ONE (that Jose clapped you). And with that one I cant verify if its fact or nor as I didn't witness it. Div.
Don't get me wrong I'd love a wealthy benefactor to take over Palace and we could sign the worlds best and keep them on the bench, however I would draw the line if that benefactor was clearly embroiled in some very unsavoury dealings, and bought his way out of jail. P.P.S. Div. Blimey, did you actually read the article?!?!??! It was the Guardian BUT they were reporting on statements made by Boris Berezovsky!!!! Boris Berezovsky attempted to bring a legal action against Abramovich. The Guardian was reporting on his evidence. Boris Berezovsky lost the case with the judge basically calling him a liar!!! I find it amazing that you cant understand this!!! Just because a paper reports a statement made from someone it doesn't make that statement true!! They have reported on Jack Warner stating he has done nothing wrong. Does that mean that's true?? As I have said numerous times!! Show me the evidence!What you and others have presented is NOT evidence!! Its anecdotal statements with no basis in fact. When has Abramovich been convicted or even charged with the offenses you and others say he has committed? PS Just because you want something to be true it doesn't mean it is and definitely doesn't make your opinion fact. Edited by chelski (11 Jun 2015 9.04am) Jeezus wept moosh you still bl00dy here, 83 pages to tell us Palace 1 chelsea 5. And yes you got it right, well done. Yes of course the whole thread is about the original statement. well done! Long winded or what, and of course I want you to have the last word as you like to do, so go ahead and it's goodnight from me. Thank you. Your detailed, insightful and interesting contributions will be missed!!!!!
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To Be honest Chelski, while Jose is a great manager. I could win the title with the team you have got so he isn't that great pal. I actually think that's not true at all!!! He identified the players we needed to go the next step last season. His tactics are brilliant. He has proved not just at Chelsea but at other clubs that he is the best manager out there!! Yeah he identified Costa - a player who was massively linked with the top clubs in Europe. He didn't sign any hidden gems, he simply signed big names. I'd hardly say he identified them. He's a good manager no doubt, but what he did this season wasnt that great. He identified what we needed to go that extra step. His track record as a manager really cant be beaten, in terms of not just success but success with clubs that really shouldn't be that successful! In terms of what he did this season not being great, I think you underestimate the achievement. To win the premier league and only lose 3 games all year is a great achievement!
As for "success with clubs that really shouldn't be that successful!" Inter - he inherited a club which the season before he joined they won the Serie A, and was a finalist in Coppa Italia. However I guess they're not supposed to be successful. Real Madrid - I'm not even going to get started, if you think they shouldn't be successful then you're just strengthening my idea that you know absolutely nothing about football. As for only losing 3 games, it tends to be around the 3-6 mark in terms of games lost. There's no doubt Mourinho's done a good job and that he's a good manager, but what he has done isn't amazing, you're overreacting.
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To Be honest Chelski, while Jose is a great manager. I could win the title with the team you have got so he isn't that great pal. I actually think that's not true at all!!! He identified the players we needed to go the next step last season. His tactics are brilliant. He has proved not just at Chelsea but at other clubs that he is the best manager out there!! Yeah he identified Costa - a player who was massively linked with the top clubs in Europe. He didn't sign any hidden gems, he simply signed big names. I'd hardly say he identified them. He's a good manager no doubt, but what he did this season wasnt that great. He identified what we needed to go that extra step. His track record as a manager really cant be beaten, in terms of not just success but success with clubs that really shouldn't be that successful! In terms of what he did this season not being great, I think you underestimate the achievement. To win the premier league and only lose 3 games all year is a great achievement!
As for "success with clubs that really shouldn't be that successful!" Actually it is hard!! Money doesn't always bring success, although of course it helps and we definitely wouldn't be as successful without it. However, other clubs also have money so winning the top two trophies is hard. Inter - he inherited a club which the season before he joined they won the Serie A, and was a finalist in Coppa Italia. However I guess they're not supposed to be successful. Yes but he won the Champions league with them!! A trophy that hadn't won for over 40 years!! That same team the following season under Benitez were awful (hence he was sacked quickly). They haven't won their league or done anything in Europe since. Actually at Madrid they hadn't won their league for 4 years and haven't won it since!! However I would accept that they should be successful. However you conveniently forget to mention Porto!! European Champions!! As for only losing 3 games, it tends to be around the 3-6 mark in terms of games lost. There's no doubt Mourinho's done a good job and that he's a good manager, but what he has done isn't amazing, you're overreacting.
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Generix Orpington 29 Jul 15 3.31pm | |
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should the title of this thread be updated to: Chelsea 0 - Palace 4 to keep it up to date?
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Shifty97 Croydon 04 Aug 15 11.55am | |
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Its suprising to see a chelsea fan who is interested in their youth team, shows there are possibly one or two that are not plastic
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Generix Orpington 10 Aug 15 2.17pm | |
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Well...since the 4-0 drubbing, there is very little in the way of noise...so I suspect still plastic.
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iheartcpfc SE25 29 Aug 15 5.43am | |
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Chelsea fans are so grim
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