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 CambridgeEagle  Sydenham 20 Oct 17 5.04pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Land space isn't the only factor than determines impact though. What's true is that proportionally more UK citizens live in the EU than vice versa. What's also true is that a higher proportion of EU citizens in the UK are in work and net contributors and a much higher proportion of Brits in the EU are retired and make greater use of public services (e.g. healthcare).
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Oct 17 5.12pm |
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Attachment: | Stuk Top half 20 Oct 17 5.14pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
How is it nonsense? As a proportion of British citizens more are living in the EU27 than the proportion of EU27 citizens living in the UK. It's a fact not an opinion. The GFA is guaranteed by an EU nation. I've not said anything will change, I defer to experts. I'm sure your expert legal opinion on it is all the UK and Irish governments need to satisfy themselves that future border arrangements will continue to uphold every element of that agreement. Apologies as I missed that you said "proportion" but that's a ridiculous way to look at it. Every single EU country has more of their citizens living here, than we do there, bar Spain. If they want €20bn to cover the future cost or ours (as JM put it), they should pay us €60bn to cover the future costs of theirs. As simple as that. Proportionally they'd only be paying €2.22bn each if you can only work things that way. The GFA is between two EU nations at present, but it's still a complete non-argument.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 20 Oct 17 5.14pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Land space isn't the only factor than determines impact though. What's true is that proportionally more UK citizens live in the EU than vice versa. What's also true is that a higher proportion of EU citizens in the UK are in work and net contributors and a much higher proportion of Brits in the EU are retired and make greater use of public services (e.g. healthcare).
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| Lyons550 Shirley 20 Oct 17 5.16pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Apologies as I missed that you said "proportion" but that's a ridiculous way to look at it. Every single EU country has more of their citizens living here, than we do there, bar Spain. If they want €20bn to cover the future cost or ours (as JM put it), they should pay us €60bn to cover the future costs of theirs. As simple as that. Proportionally they'd only be paying €2.22bn each if you can only work things that way. The GFA is between two EU nations at present, but it's still a complete non-argument.
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Kermit8  Hevon 20 Oct 17 5.19pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm glad you care....you have boys growing up here same as me....they are in the same boat. Yep, I'm anti British....didn't you know...got a safety pin through my nose and tattoo of Kim Jong-un on my arse. Capitalism is for fools....get your Corbyn groove on boy! I have you down as someone who is more pro-Stirling ideology and intransigent than Pro-British to be totally honest. As in you would fight more for your beliefs than what was actually best for the country.
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| Stirlingsays 20 Oct 17 5.22pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I have you down as someone who is more pro-Stirling ideology and intransigent than Pro-British to be totally honest. As in you would fight more for your beliefs than what was actually best for the country. Pro-Stirling ideology? Who decides 'what's best for the country'? I would fight for my country (though I'm long in the tooth now). I'm never going to fight against my country.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 20 Oct 17 5.32pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Pro-Stirling ideology? Who decides 'what's best for the country'? I would fight for my country (though I'm long in the tooth now). I'm never going to fight against my country. Neither would I but if the state ever turned against the people violently, militarily and dictatorially and into a police state then that would be a different story. The state is not the country. The Germans who fought Hitler were widely condemned as traitors. They were, of course, the very opposite.
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| Stirlingsays 20 Oct 17 6.00pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Neither would I but if the state ever turned against the people violently, militarily and dictatorially and into a police state then that would be a different story. The state is not the country. The Germans who fought Hitler were widely condemned as traitors. They were, of course, the very opposite. So are you saying that those who fought in the German army were traitors? Because that's not so. If the state is democratically elected then they 'represent' the country at that time under those policies. Individual actions or policies are individual actions or policies.....they are a bit different. We really don't want to get into 'my country: right or wrong' on the EU thread. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 6.01pm)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 20 Oct 17 6.01pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Neither would I but if the state ever turned against the people violently, militarily and dictatorially and into a police state then that would be a different story. The state is not the country. The Germans who fought Hitler were widely condemned as traitors. They were, of course, the very opposite. We'll all have to take sides when the civil war breaks out.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 20 Oct 17 6.16pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
We'll all have to take sides when the civil war breaks out. I think I would be a cavalier in that case as I like the clothes. In your case though roundhead or 'knobhead' woud be more appropriate.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 20 Oct 17 6.36pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I think I would be a cavalier in that case as I like the clothes. In your case though roundhead or 'knobhead' woud be more appropriate.
Do you know much, or anything other than 'cavaliers' & 'roundheads' about the English Civil War? (Their dress was quite similar by the way.)
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