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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Oct 17 3.22pm
Originally posted by Stuk How much are they paying us for the greater number of them that will be living in the UK then? All of their arguments are nonsense. Ireland is another they trot out when we've had, and still have, the CTA agreement which was around long before Schengen which neither Ireland or the UK is a part of anyway. And the good Friday agreement had nothing to do with the EU either. In fairness a greater proportion of Brits live in the EU27 than EU27 citizens that live in the UK, i.e a UK citizen is more likely to be an immigrant in the EU than an EU citizen is in the UK. The Good Friday Agreement includes an agreement between the UK and Ireland (an EU country).
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Originally posted by Stuk

How much are they paying us for the greater number of them that will be living in the UK then?

All of their arguments are nonsense. Ireland is another they trot out when we've had, and still have, the CTA agreement which was around long before Schengen which neither Ireland or the UK is a part of anyway. And the good Friday agreement had nothing to do with the EU either.

In fairness a greater proportion of Brits live in the EU27 than EU27 citizens that live in the UK, i.e a UK citizen is more likely to be an immigrant in the EU than an EU citizen is in the UK.

The Good Friday Agreement includes an agreement between the UK and Ireland (an EU country).

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Lyons550 Shirley 20 Oct 17 3.24pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman So you want us to pay for our responsibilities but it's weakness if we do. Sounds like the difficulty in understanding what women wanted yesterday then today. He does seem more than a little confused...doesnt he lol The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 20 Oct 17 3.24pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

So you want us to pay for our responsibilities but it's weakness if we do. Sounds like the difficulty in understanding what women wanted yesterday then today.

He does seem more than a little confused...doesnt he lol

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Stirlingsays 20 Oct 17 3.25pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle I would have thought that believing that all nationalism is bad would make one anti-nationalist. By default, anyone who distils this stuff to such fundamental bollox is, by definition, anti-intellectual. Anti-nationalist is by implication anti-British as it is anti the idea of nationhood. It's not rocket science. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 3.26pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Oct 17 3.25pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

I would have thought that believing that all nationalism is bad would make one anti-nationalist.

By default, anyone who distils this stuff to such fundamental bollox is, by definition, anti-intellectual.

Anti-nationalist is by implication anti-British as it is anti the idea of nationhood. It's not rocket science.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 3.26pm)

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 20 Oct 17 3.28pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman So you want us to pay for our responsibilities but it's weakness if we do. Sounds like the difficulty in understanding what women wanted yesterday then today. What do you mean by that?
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Sydenham 20 Oct 17 3.28pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

So you want us to pay for our responsibilities but it's weakness if we do. Sounds like the difficulty in understanding what women wanted yesterday then today.

What do you mean by that?

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Stuk Top half 20 Oct 17 3.32pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle In fairness a greater proportion of Brits live in the EU27 than EU27 citizens that live in the UK, i.e a UK citizen is more likely to be an immigrant in the EU than an EU citizen is in the UK. The Good Friday Agreement includes an agreement between the UK and Ireland (an EU country). Absolute nonsense, there are more 3 times as many citizens from other EU countries in the UK, than UK citizens in other EU countries. And only one country out of the 27 has more Brits there than is reciprocated. Spain. The Good Friday agreement is nothing to do with the EU, and nothing in it will change. A total non-argument. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 20 Oct 17 3.32pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

In fairness a greater proportion of Brits live in the EU27 than EU27 citizens that live in the UK, i.e a UK citizen is more likely to be an immigrant in the EU than an EU citizen is in the UK.

The Good Friday Agreement includes an agreement between the UK and Ireland (an EU country).

Absolute nonsense, there are more 3 times as many citizens from other EU countries in the UK, than UK citizens in other EU countries. And only one country out of the 27 has more Brits there than is reciprocated. Spain.

The Good Friday agreement is nothing to do with the EU, and nothing in it will change. A total non-argument.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Oct 17 3.34pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Anti-nationalist is by implication anti-British as it is anti the idea of nationhood. It's not rocket science. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 3.26pm) What about patriotism. I could say you are unpatriotic because you support the s*** show that is Brexit. It will cost our wonderful country dearly. You are deliberately making our country worse. I don't know how you sleep at night. Oh you don't, you often post at 3am. #knockabout Edited by nickgusset (20 Oct 2017 3.34pm)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Anti-nationalist is by implication anti-British as it is anti the idea of nationhood. It's not rocket science.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 3.26pm)

What about patriotism. I could say you are unpatriotic because you support the s*** show that is Brexit. It will cost our wonderful country dearly. You are deliberately making our country worse.
I don't know how you sleep at night. Oh you don't, you often post at 3am.

#knockabout

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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 20 Oct 17 3.36pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger We are getting out at a good time. THe EU is going to s***. It was the right decision and you will see that in the coming years. Merkel will not want to screw Britain. She knows Germany and Europe has much to lose as well. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Oct 2017 11.39am) I was at a seminar yesterday where a leading economist at Cazenove said exactly the opposite; it's an awful time to be leaving the EU from an economic perspective as the European economies are growing while the UK is in for some tough times ahead, in or out of the EU. He said this will continue for the next 18 months at least, possibly longer. Leaving the EU in 18 months will only make things much worse for the UK, especially with no trade deal. I used to be immortal
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We are getting out at a good time. THe EU is going to s***. It was the right decision and you will see that in the coming years.
Merkel will not want to screw Britain. She knows Germany and Europe has much to lose as well.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Oct 2017 11.39am)

I was at a seminar yesterday where a leading economist at Cazenove said exactly the opposite; it's an awful time to be leaving the EU from an economic perspective as the European economies are growing while the UK is in for some tough times ahead, in or out of the EU. He said this will continue for the next 18 months at least, possibly longer.

Leaving the EU in 18 months will only make things much worse for the UK, especially with no trade deal.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Oct 17 3.42pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Anti-nationalist is by implication anti-British as it is anti the idea of nationhood. It's not rocket science. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 3.26pm) Not necessarily, a lot of nationalist politics is unreasoned and absurd bollocks and oratory used to deflect away from real issues in the UK as absurdly unpragmatic - politics of all kinds, left right, up or down, that's only rationality is based in idealism is asking for trouble. Nationalism is ok, like anything else, when its basis is in reasoned argument. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Anti-nationalist is by implication anti-British as it is anti the idea of nationhood. It's not rocket science.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 3.26pm)

Not necessarily, a lot of nationalist politics is unreasoned and absurd bollocks and oratory used to deflect away from real issues in the UK as absurdly unpragmatic - politics of all kinds, left right, up or down, that's only rationality is based in idealism is asking for trouble.

Nationalism is ok, like anything else, when its basis is in reasoned argument.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Lyons550 Shirley 20 Oct 17 3.49pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Because there are many many people who aren't that confident in team May. Some good news might help allay any fears they have. So...in summary...you dont NEED to know...as it wont make ANY difference The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 20 Oct 17 3.49pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Because there are many many people who aren't that confident in team May. Some good news might help allay any fears they have.

So...in summary...you dont NEED to know...as it wont make ANY difference

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Stirlingsays 20 Oct 17 3.52pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Not necessarily, a lot of nationalist politics is unreasoned and absurd bollocks and oratory used to deflect away from real issues in the UK as absurdly unpragmatic - politics of all kinds, left right, up or down, that's only rationality is based in idealism is asking for trouble. Nationalism is ok, like anything else, when its basis is in reasoned argument. Nope, that is your value judgement upon nationalism. I only agree with your description as a nationalism that's out of control. You can't accurately say you are anti-nationalism but for the nation of Britain. It goes against the definition. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Oct 17 3.52pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Nationalism is ok, like anything else, when its basis is in reasoned argument.

Nope, that is your value judgement upon nationalism. I only agree with your description as a nationalism that's out of control.

You can't accurately say you are anti-nationalism but for the nation of Britain. It goes against the definition.

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Stirlingsays 20 Oct 17 4.01pm
Originally posted by nickgusset What about patriotism. I could say you are unpatriotic because you support the s*** show that is Brexit. It will cost our wonderful country dearly. You are deliberately making our country worse. I don't know how you sleep at night. Oh you don't, you often post at 3am. #knockabout Edited by nickgusset (20 Oct 2017 3.34pm) I haven't really been sleeping much for months....I couldn't tell you why....just don't need much anymore. A person can definitely be a remainer and a patriot in my eyes....never something I've said or thought. But you can't be pro the EU position and a patriot. Once that leave vote came through a patriot wants the best UK deal they can get. After that, perhaps they want another referendum....but that's something different. A person who wants a bad deal for the UK so that it eventually wants to rejoin the EU because of dependency isn't a patriot....not on those terms. There are other arguments for the EU where a person can say they are a patriot.....but with the increasing centralization and control freaky....I have to admit those arguments are looking stretched....but they exist.....staying in and pushing for change...etc etc. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 4.03pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Oct 17 4.01pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

#knockabout

Edited by nickgusset (20 Oct 2017 3.34pm)

I haven't really been sleeping much for months....I couldn't tell you why....just don't need much anymore.

A person can definitely be a remainer and a patriot in my eyes....never something I've said or thought.

But you can't be pro the EU position and a patriot. Once that leave vote came through a patriot wants the best UK deal they can get. After that, perhaps they want another referendum....but that's something different.

A person who wants a bad deal for the UK so that it eventually wants to rejoin the EU because of dependency isn't a patriot....not on those terms.

There are other arguments for the EU where a person can say they are a patriot.....but with the increasing centralization and control freaky....I have to admit those arguments are looking stretched....but they exist.....staying in and pushing for change...etc etc.

Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 4.03pm)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Oct 17 4.04pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle What do you mean by that? You obviously understand when a woman says she doesn't want something but does and vice versa then. Steeleye supports us paying our way and following their demands but if or when we do we're weak. COYP
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

What do you mean by that?

You obviously understand when a woman says she doesn't want something but does and vice versa then.

Steeleye supports us paying our way and following their demands but if or when we do we're weak.

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