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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 12.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
This is a question of consistency. Something that politicians lack. Refreshing, and an opinion which circumstances support. Strength not stupidity. A wise, diplomatic man in the public eye, aware that his words will be analysed and widely circulated, should know what not to say, every bit as well as what to say. Understanding that restraint is in the public interest is vital in those aspiring to either control or influence national policy. He needed to pause, think and give a non specific answer. Not get flustered and defensive. Farage failed. It deserves to be exposed.
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jun 24 12.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
A wise, diplomatic man in the public eye, aware that his words will be analysed and widely circulated, should know what not to say, every bit as well as what to say. Understanding that restraint is in the public interest is vital in those aspiring to either control or influence national policy. He needed to pause, think and give a non specific answer. Not get flustered and defensive. Farage failed. It deserves to be exposed. So he should have lied? Hardly a surprising opinion coming from someone who can't tell the truth about anything. He hasn't threatened security. It was just a loaded question which was answered with refreshing honesty. The public would like more honesty, and less incompetence.
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Stirlingsays 23 Jun 24 12.52pm | |
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How typical that someone with a career in marketing would suggest that someone not be honest with their views. I'll make the point again that there is nothing Farage has said here that hasn't been said many times in diplomatic circles even at the highest levels. His problem seems to be that the public are allowed an alternative view. I'll also make the point that we are not at war and different opinions on government foreign policy are just part of politics. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jun 2024 4.24pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 5.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
So he should have lied? Hardly a surprising opinion coming from someone who can't tell the truth about anything. He hasn't threatened security. It was just a loaded question which was answered with refreshing honesty. The public would like more honesty, and less incompetence. No, he should have been more circumspect. Just avoid saying anything that our enemies can use against us. That’s not lying at all. It’s being responsible.
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jun 24 5.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No, he should have been more circumspect. Just avoid saying anything that our enemies can use against us. That’s not lying at all. It’s being responsible. Circumspect? So what consequences do you think would result from what he said? You think that Putin needs Nigel Farage for propaganda? Your conspiracy theory about election interference suggests that they are doing fine already.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 5.18pm | |
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I am quite sure these kind of things, and many others, are routinely discussed in diplomatic circles. As are the ways the conflict could end and the compromises that might be agreed. The difference is that these are in private, behind closed doors, and not on mainstream TV which is capable of being used against us by the Russians. It ought not to have been publicly aired in this way. Not by someone leading a Party which is pitching for political influence. It shows Farage in his true light. Which some appreciate but I, and many, others don’t. Marmite man rides again.
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Stirlingsays 23 Jun 24 5.20pm | |
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Omission is the most common form of lying. Once again, we are not at war with Russia and free speech....however eroded in this country....still exists. My personal opinion is that Farage's take is the correct one and people like this poster are leading us into another war.....one that isn't even winnable by anyone and only comes with cost both economic and human. People should be forewarned about those signing them up to commitments they don't want. Farage can present the alternative view, which is factually correct anyway, as he was saying this would lead to confrontation ten years ago. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Jun 2024 5.22pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 5.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Circumspect? So what consequences do you think would result from what he said? You think that Putin needs Nigel Farage for propaganda? Your conspiracy theory about election interference suggests that they are doing fine already. Needs? Probably not! Will use? Almost certainly. Just as he uses Trump!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 5.28pm | |
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Whether Farage’s view is correct is entirely a matter of opinion. He is entitled to it just as others are to their’s. It’s not the point. Nor is free speech! It’s whether speaking like that was a responsible act? If he said it 10 years ago and was asked to defend it now was he wise to doubled down, or would it have been better to parry the questions and avoid the controversy? After all what good has it done, compared to the harm it has?
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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jun 24 5.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Needs? Probably not! Will use? Almost certainly. Just as he uses Trump! And our politicians don't use the Russians for propaganda? The idea that Farage has to deny his own correct prediction about Ukraine is daft. Trump, Farage or anyone else is entitled to express an opinion on the situation during an election period. There is no wartime restriction on speech.
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Stirlingsays 23 Jun 24 5.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
And our politicians don't use the Russians for propaganda? The idea that Farage has to deny his own correct prediction about Ukraine is daft. Trump, Farage or anyone else is entitled to express an opinion on the situation during an election period. There is no wartime restriction on speech. Well put. The alternative to war with Russia needs to be put towards the people. The idea that this shouldn't be said is outrageous. He wants the same media system Putin has.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Jun 24 6.03pm | |
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Farage needs to be censored with all that stuff. After all those Weapons of Mass destruction that were found in Iraq, we should know that Western Governments always tell the real truth.
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