- it is probably more accurate to say that Eze needed time to settle into the squad and system. He said himself that there were things he needed to learn in the first weeks of the season.
- For all his wrong choices yesterday at least Ayew managed to get forward without being blown up for being offside regularly - Bats was offside on virtually every occasion in his brief appearance from the subs bench. He still can't time his runs properly. Is he ever going to?

Finally how do you know a younger manager with fresh ideas will get far more out of this (ageing) squad? It's simply your opinion. You may be right or you may be wrong. I tend to the latter view. As I've said before, until the club can identify a younger manager of the right calibre and experience to manage a PL team such as ours, we should stick with Roy who at least keeps us out of relegation trouble (unlike Howe could, for example).

Yesterday’s result was awful and the club and back room staff will need to have a look at themselves. However, if Roy wants to stay on, I think the club would extend for another year.

Roy likes 4-4-2 which gives us a bit more up top and think we have played ok this season. At 1-0 yesterday we had two really good chances to score and equalise. Second half we fell apart. However, Roy has been criticised for being two defensive. We then play a bit more expansive and he gets criticised again. What approach do ppl prefer.

Also, which seems the biggest problem for the club. Who comes in. Howe - spent fortunes and got Bournemouth relegated
Dyche - his tactics are the same as Roy’s (if not more direct) and they are 8 points worse off than us
Frank - inexperienced and would be a risk at this level

Of all the alternatives, I’m happy with Roy.

A little confused here, after the forth goal (I will say it again) the game was without any doubt finished as a contest, so up until then we could've ..should've been within touching distance although still behind them, we need to understand who we played and their standard of player and then throw in clinical, we are not clinical in any sense of the word.

Edited by Tickled pink (20 Dec 2020 8.50pm)

Why do fans (of all clubs) want to change their managers so frequently?

Everybody want to get to the "next level" the only problem with that if a team goes up, another team has to come down.

Just because Roy is old doesn't make him a bad manager and just because somebody is young necessarily make them a good manager.

Re the league position, I have no doubt we are very close to where the bookies had us down to finish this season. We will win some we don't expect to and lose some we expect to win. It was ever thus.

As doombear said earlier without a massive cash injection, it is hard to know how Roy could do so very much better with tools available.

On that basis, as we have the oldest manager then he must be the best in the world? I think a few would argue against that.

All sport evolves, Roy has his ideas that he has used to a reasonable level of success for 50 years with different levels of team. He has had opportunities to dominate with top teams but never has and top teams fans he has managed would say he is a poor manager. I don’t think he is a poor manager but I do think his ideas are outdated.

When you respond to people Tickled you don’t need to follow up your argument with an insult if they don’t agree with your way of thinking.

I think this sums up the different mindset of fans. What have we achieved? Not getting relegated, yay! Smacks of the lack of ambition and pathetically low expectations that a lot of fans are fed up with, me included. You make it sound like we're a charity and Roy is doing us a favour. What other Prem club would offer such an outdated manager the change to prolong his career in the top flight? Let's see when he finally chucks it in at Palace how long the queue is. He came in the steady the ship, and granted he did it, however it should have been a two-year stint max to stop us stagnating like we have.