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Stirlingsays Flag 28 Dec 17 8.42pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

You're over-exaggerating his role too. Trump hasn't effected the jobs market positively or negatively but just happens to be in The White House as its seven year trend downwards continues; nor has he had such an effect one way or the other to blow the growth forecasts from before he was inaugurated out of the water. They are what they said they would be.

If Hillary was in it'd be the same. If Ali G were in it would also be the same.

As soon as the man won the market rose significantly...now that happens anyway....but more to the point...it kept on rising.

I agree with you though that it's not via any talent of his it's just built upon believe in what he will do.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Dec 2017 8.44pm)

 


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kenbarr Flag Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 29 Dec 17 4.31am Send a Private Message to kenbarr Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add kenbarr as a friend

Meanwhile, on the Twitter front, he claims Anna Wintour is "beside herself with grief & begging for forgiveness" over a video post from Vanity Fair that ribbed Hillary Clinton a bit too much for her most ardent fanatics. Anna WIntour? The devil who wears Prada? Please note, I voted for Clinton but its time to move on from her. The very same people who are whingeing about the video are the same ones who demanded HRC run the moment she reigned as Secretary of State and cyber bullied anyone who said she deserved time to rest and think and that it was disrespectful to demand anything politically from her at that time.

 


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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 29 Dec 17 9.33am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As soon as the man won the market rose significantly...now that happens anyway....but more to the point...it kept on rising.

I agree with you though that it's not via any talent of his it's just built upon believe in what he will do.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Dec 2017 8.44pm)

The reason for increases in share prices wasn't due to confidence in the economy but an understanding that the only policy Trump promised that he was likely to deliver on was tax cuts for companies and investors knew that the benefits would mainly flow to shareholders not employees or anyone else. Hence share prices went up as expectations of post tax returns and up without having to do anything to achieve them via investment etc.

Business know he won't enact any of his protectionist, jobs or immigration policies as that would not be in their interests or his own personal interest.

Republicans have publically admitted this will add at least $1tn to the deficit and it's likely to be more than that. For no gain.

It's terrible economics with huge swathes of evidence to that end. Time and again tax cuts like this do not have any real trickle down and create inequality and lower productivity. Not jobs and prosperity. The deficit will then be used as an excuse to cut Medicaid and social security. More terrible policies.

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 29 Dec 17 9.41am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Going by his sarcastic tweets I see the snow in the U.S has made Donald even more sure that global warming is just made up, scientific evidence and all.

A White Van Man/Gobby Black Cab driver is President of the United States.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Dec 17 9.57am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

The reason for increases in share prices wasn't due to confidence in the economy but an understanding that the only policy Trump promised that he was likely to deliver on was tax cuts for companies and investors knew that the benefits would mainly flow to shareholders not employees or anyone else. Hence share prices went up as expectations of post tax returns and up without having to do anything to achieve them via investment etc.

Business know he won't enact any of his protectionist, jobs or immigration policies as that would not be in their interests or his own personal interest.

Republicans have publically admitted this will add at least tn to the deficit and it's likely to be more than that. For no gain.

It's terrible economics with huge swathes of evidence to that end. Time and again tax cuts like this do not have any real trickle down and create inequality and lower productivity. Not jobs and prosperity. The deficit will then be used as an excuse to cut Medicaid and social security. More terrible policies.

I regard that as reasonable analysis.

What I would add is that it's important that an incoming president or incoming party in parliament gets the main pieces of their campaigns through the legislative processes. That said the Trump election was doubtful on a votes perspective if not an electional college one so some battle over policy is perhaps a fairer reflection on national mandate.

However, I'm glad he's got his tax stuff through because, when you ignore the twitter insults, at the end of the day that's a big piece of what he's sold himself on and what he should be judged on.....'it's the economy stupid' was perhaps the wisest thing Clinton said....the one with voter appeal.

I too have doubts on his tax plans but then again, I will wait and see....because if there's one thing you can be certain about economists is that they rarely agree on economies.....every situation is unique to its context so ok Mr Trump, this is your time.....lets see what happens.

Republicans always raise the deficit.....when they are in opposition they nearly always unethically vote against the democrats spending on anything but when they gain power they can mostly rely on the democrats supporting any infrastructure or services programmmes.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Dec 17 9.58am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Going by his sarcastic tweets I see the snow in the U.S has made Donald even more sure that global warming is just made up, scientific evidence and all.

A White Van Man/Gobby Black Cab driver is President of the United States.

And before him a 'community organizer'.

 


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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 29 Dec 17 12.55pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

One year in, here's what I think are good and bad things from Trump.

Good:
Created jobs – US almost at full employment
Stock market all-time high
Recognised Jerusalem as capital
New sanctions on N Korea
GDP growing (almost 4% last quarter)
Decertified Iran deal
Brought in the travel ban
Cutting regulations (22 cut for each new one)
Defeating ISIS in Iraq and Syria
Pulled out of Paris Accord
Taking on the fake news media
Hugh cut in illegal border crossings
Getting NATO countries to pay fair share
Tax reform!

Bad:
Not starting the wall
Failing to repeal Obamacare
Handled Charlottesville attack badly
Cruise missile strike at Syria in response to chemical weapons
Criticising his own staff
Too many personal attacks on anybody
Too much tweeting!

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Sheks Crows Eye Flag Virginia 29 Dec 17 1.53pm Send a Private Message to Sheks Crows Eye Add Sheks Crows Eye as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

One year in, here's what I think are good and bad things from Trump.

Good:
Created jobs – US almost at full employment
Stock market all-time high
Recognised Jerusalem as capital
New sanctions on N Korea
GDP growing (almost 4% last quarter)
Decertified Iran deal
Brought in the travel ban
Cutting regulations (22 cut for each new one)
Defeating ISIS in Iraq and Syria
Pulled out of Paris Accord
Taking on the fake news media
Hugh cut in illegal border crossings
Getting NATO countries to pay fair share
Tax reform!

Bad:
Not starting the wall
Failing to repeal Obamacare
Handled Charlottesville attack badly
Cruise missile strike at Syria in response to chemical weapons
Criticising his own staff
Too many personal attacks on anybody
Too much tweeting!

Edited by Penge Eagle (29 Dec 2017 12.56pm)

I would argue that he handled it perfectly since Marxists and Neo-nazis are just different sides of the same coin.

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 29 Dec 17 3.01pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye

I would argue that he handled it perfectly since Marxists and Neo-nazis are just different sides of the same coin.

Yeah Abe Lincoln/David Duke - two peas.

Must be going by what he said back in the day.

"INASMUCH as most good things are produced by labor, it follows that all such things ought to belong to those whose labor has produced them. But it has happened in all ages of the world that some have labored, and others, without labor, have enjoyed a large proportion of the fruits. This is wrong, and should not continue. To secure to each laborer the whole product of his labor as nearly as possible is a worthy object of any good government."

 


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Sheks Crows Eye Flag Virginia 29 Dec 17 4.23pm Send a Private Message to Sheks Crows Eye Add Sheks Crows Eye as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Yeah Abe Lincoln/David Duke - two peas.

Must be going by what he said back in the day.

"INASMUCH as most good things are produced by labor, it follows that all such things ought to belong to those whose labor has produced them. But it has happened in all ages of the world that some have labored, and others, without labor, have enjoyed a large proportion of the fruits. This is wrong, and should not continue. To secure to each laborer the whole product of his labor as nearly as possible is a worthy object of any good government."


Nice strawman, whats this have to do with Trump rightfully denouncing Fascists and Communists?

Have you ever looked at the metrics of the amount of dead due to communist regimes and fascists alike? Let alone comparing the numbers to one another.

Spoiler alert: the number of dead under communism vastly outweigh those under the Nazis.


 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 29 Dec 17 5.10pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye


Nice strawman, whats this have to do with Trump rightfully denouncing Fascists and Communists?

Have you ever looked at the metrics of the amount of dead due to communist regimes and fascists alike? Let alone comparing the numbers to one another.

Spoiler alert: the number of dead under communism vastly outweigh those under the Nazis.


Sorry, fella - you'll have to point me in the right direction to find where Trump has a right go at, and fully denounces the white power, Hitler-loving, jew and black-hating, racially-superior fixated, cancerous neo-nazis that invaded and upset the local folk in Charlottesville.

I know he said both sides were to blame but given their way of thinking and actions that night and day, including murder, he must have had something seperate to say about the neo-nazis, surely?

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 5.26pm

Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye


Nice strawman, whats this have to do with Trump rightfully denouncing Fascists and Communists?

Have you ever looked at the metrics of the amount of dead due to communist regimes and fascists alike? Let alone comparing the numbers to one another.

Spoiler alert: the number of dead under communism vastly outweigh those under the Nazis.



People who died due to famine in Holodomor are counted as 'killed by communism', despite Western countries' trade blockade against USSR which prevented them from exporting anything but their grain to be able to buy industrial machinery . Stalin administration took a gamble and bet on next harvest being good to export their grain to buy machines via grain exports, because west was preventing them even using their gold to buy machinery. Harvest didn't turn out well, a lot of people died due to famine. Even as government did everything to rectify the famine by implementing rationing across entire country to help the regions with famine.

This is considered "communists' fault".

Around the same time, countless millions were dying in US due to famine, malnutrition, lack of access to healthcare, shelter, security because of abject poverty brought by Great Depression, and the US government was refusing doing anything about it based on ideological grounds of 'Not intervening in the market'. People were dying on the road to California, in roadside camps, hobo camps, in their houses due to sickness brought by malnutrition, diseases, entire nation was begging, 'Brother can you spare a dime', but the government was ideologically refusing to do anything about it, even as a minority of people made incredible fortunes.

This is not considered capitalism's fault.


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