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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 16 May 16 11.36am Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

You are quite correct Danny, the figures speak for themselves....and just this morning the IMF has announced that in all of the economic analysis it has received from various independent sources there was not one favourable economic outcome from brexit. The results ranged from bad 1.5% of gdp to very very bad 9.5% of gdp. I find this truly astounding. Furthermore, john major is announcing that the brexit campaign is based purely on immigration which risks causing deep divisions in society for years to come.
If this is your agenda danny i.e. to wreck the economy and to cause deep divisions in society then dont be surprised if you face some opposition.


I will thank you to not make presumptions on what I wish for society, or to insinuate that I wish to create divisions within it.

And you have done nothing to answer my point, that the incessant pressure for everyone to get along, coupled with the stifling pressure (and idiocy) of political correctness are ironically IMO the main driving forces behind the rise of the right across Europe.

Tell me are you as arrogant in real life as you are on here ?

 


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We are goin up! Flag Coulsdon 16 May 16 11.47am Send a Private Message to We are goin up! Add We are goin up! as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Is it worse than what Ken said and was suspended for?


Both were ill-advised and true.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 16 May 16 12.05pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Hitler did say he wanted "a community of nations" but somehow if he had been victorious I don't think the mental, genocidal, racist maniac would have bothered going down that friendly road.

 


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johnfirewall Flag 16 May 16 12.48pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Is it worse than what Ken said and was suspended for?

One comment - which was made in defence of someone proposing the removal of an ethnic/ religious group - pointed out that someone else had also proposed moving this group to their own state but decided to kill them all instead.

Would you care to illustrate how what Boris said is comparable, other than the fact that they mention the same person?

Edited by johnfirewall (16 May 2016 12.52pm)

 

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JohnyBoy Flag 16 May 16 4.21pm Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by dannyh


I will thank you to not make presumptions on what I wish for society, or to insinuate that I wish to create divisions within it.

And you have done nothing to answer my point, that the incessant pressure for everyone to get along, coupled with the stifling pressure (and idiocy) of political correctness are ironically IMO the main driving forces behind the rise of the right across Europe.

Tell me are you as arrogant in real life as you are on here ?

Ahem...i think you will find that my riposte was based on your accusation that i manipulated and marginalised the figures to suit my own agenda which was "a trait" of mine...
So you expect me to sit there and take dogs abuse off you and not respond accordingly....wouldnt be very British that would it....and if that makes me "arrogant" ...well thank you for the compliment...
And surely its a good thing that European nations are under "incessant pressure to get along", we've enjoyed 70 years of peace.....or am I being too PC again? admitedly not what is wanted by the far right across Europe whom some political leaders seek to appeal to. But the reality is that these people, invariably on some kind of downer would rather have less prosperity, less security, less employment, higher inflation, higher borrowing costs etc in the hope they can mess it all up and make everyone else feel as sh$t as they do.....so just like Donald Trump or Nigel Farage they can blame foreigners, muslims, infact anyone except themselves

 

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JohnyBoy Flag 16 May 16 4.46pm Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by johnfirewall

One comment - which was made in defence of someone proposing the removal of an ethnic/ religious group - pointed out that someone else had also proposed moving this group to their own state but decided to kill them all instead.

Would you care to illustrate how what Boris said is comparable, other than the fact that they mention the same person?

Edited by johnfirewall (16 May 2016 12.52pm)

When i look at what Boris said objectively, i think he was trying to appeal to the much older voter who would remember either ww2 or its aftermath i.e rations, poverty etc. But Boris is a skilled politician and i think he blundered this time because the analogy most people have of the Nazi regime is not just one of tanks rolling across Poland and the Battle of Britain but also of truly hideous crimes against humanity, a holocaust and a regime that brutalised its own people and every one of its neighbouring countries....and its this analogy which people will make which is why i think he made a mistake to use it....its also quite divisive for people of German, French or Italian origin whose families often fought and died fighting Hitler, Mussolini or even Napoleon and similarly say "never again"...sorry but he did no favours for the leave campaign.
I think the remain campaign goofed last week, first Obama saying back of the queue/line and then Cameron talking of war...both unhelpful to the remain campaign but this weekend was one where the leave campaign shot themselves in the foot. Not only Boris but Farage said he would, if he had to chose, vote for Donald Trump....another blunder i'm afraid given the rhetoric that Trump has used in his primary campaign i.e that of a dangerous fascist....
And lastly IDS saying he was looking out for the working man...i mean IDS!! Then Andrew Neil pointed out that he had voted against the eu working time directive, paternity pay and other equality and workers rights, how could he now be believed? TBH i thought it was embarrassing and if i was coordinating the leave campaign i would be looking to more moderate leave campaigners e.g Gove, Hamman, Lamont to make my case.

 

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Hoof Hearted 17 May 16 10.47am

Turned on BBC News yesterday lunchtime.... who's that with Osborne banging the drum for the Remain Campaign?

Vince Cable and Ed Balls....... Hahahaha

Osborne has been badmouthing Balls since before 2010 and now we are to believe he respects his fiscal and economic nous - whereas previously he was a figure of fun?

Credibility of Remain Campaign = ZERO!

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 17 May 16 11.05am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

What Boris really thinks and in his own words:

"It was his [Churchill] idea to bring these countries together. To bind them so indissolubly that they could never go to war again. And who can deny today that this idea has been a spectacular success? Together with NATO (another institution for which he can claim joint credit) the European Community, now Union, has delivered a period of peace and prosperity for its people as long as any since the days of the Antonine emperors”.

The unofficial leader of Brexit. Ever feel you've been had?

 


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ghosteagle Flag 17 May 16 11.09am Send a Private Message to ghosteagle Add ghosteagle as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

What Boris really thinks and in his own words:

"It was his [Churchill] idea to bring these countries together. To bind them so indissolubly that they could never go to war again. And who can deny today that this idea has been a spectacular success? Together with NATO (another institution for which he can claim joint credit) the European Community, now Union, has delivered a period of peace and prosperity for its people as long as any since the days of the Antonine emperors”.


The unofficial leader of Brexit. Ever feel you've been had?

This is unfair. Boris does not speak but to lie, so there is no way of telling what he 'really thinks'.

 

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Hoof Hearted 17 May 16 11.25am

Originally posted by Kermit8

What Boris really thinks and in his own words:

"It was his [Churchill] idea to bring these countries together. To bind them so indissolubly that they could never go to war again. And who can deny today that this idea has been a spectacular success? Together with NATO (another institution for which he can claim joint credit) the European Community, now Union, has delivered a period of peace and prosperity for its people as long as any since the days of the Antonine emperors”.

The unofficial leader of Brexit. Ever feel you've been had?

Good stuff Kermy ... but it doesn't "trump" the revelation yesterday that Osborne has teamed up with Ed Balls to promote the economic arguments for the Remain campaign... having previously trashed Balls' economic reputation (when Balls wasn't doing that himself)

There are now a pretty formidable team of w@nkers, liars, underachievers and u turners on the Remain camp...

Blair
Brown
Major
Corbyn
Balls
Blunkett
Cameron
Osborne
Mandelson
Miliband
Kinnock

I do hope they don't put Blunkett in goal!

 

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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 17 May 16 11.49am Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

Ahem...i think you will find that my riposte was based on your accusation that i manipulated and marginalised the figures to suit my own agenda which was "a trait" of mine...
So you expect me to sit there and take dogs abuse off you and not respond accordingly....wouldnt be very British that would it....and if that makes me "arrogant" ...well thank you for the compliment...
And surely its a good thing that European nations are under "incessant pressure to get along", we've enjoyed 70 years of peace.....or am I being too PC again? admitedly not what is wanted by the far right across Europe whom some political leaders seek to appeal to. But the reality is that these people, invariably on some kind of downer would rather have less prosperity, less security, less employment, higher inflation, higher borrowing costs etc in the hope they can mess it all up and make everyone else feel as sh$t as they do.....so just like Donald Trump or Nigel Farage they can blame foreigners, muslims, infact anyone except themselves

But these poor souls are the ones that the left want us to feed and clothe over here, Ed Milliband was only saying yesterday that refugee camps should be disbanded and instead people of the like you have mentioned would be allowed to wonder straight into a nice new house, while we still have homeless vetrans and kids on our streets.

You can't have it both ways Johnny. And I think the terms dogs abuse is a tad over the top, mentioning that you manufacture figures to suit your own "remain" agenda is hardly dogs abuse is it? Oh and the entire post you just put together is subjective and pure conjecture on your part, not to mention the one gaping whole in your post, its utterly devoid of any factual repost to my point.

chin chin.

Edited by dannyh (17 May 2016 11.59am)

 


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