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I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.
Well I wouldn't compensate shareholders in an ideal world, which were talking about here.
Edited by Stuk (22 Sep 2015 2.55pm) Well yes, although technically only guilty if it wasn't achieved through a legally defined process - Presumably if I've won an election I have a democratic mandate to pursue the statements of my manifesto. I'm not sure if people have noticed, my politics are very leftwing. Absolutely not, as Greece has demonstrated. Promising the undeliverable does not make it possible, nor is it democratic. true. I never really said it was in any way a real possibility, only something I believe in; the idea of a public transport system that's free at point of use, or very cheap (subsidized), and why I believe that (I don't believe people should have to pay to actually go to work).
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Supposing for a moment it were even possible, or sane (it isn't either), how do you think all these people who can now leave the car at home and travel by this wonderful free travel network actually going to fit on? Most services in to London are full and standing before they get within half an hour of the city. So not only do we take on the expense of the network as is, we also presumably need to fund incredible levels of investment into infrastructure, stations, rolling stock, etc. Bibble!
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I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.
Well I wouldn't compensate shareholders in an ideal world, which were talking about here.
Edited by Stuk (22 Sep 2015 2.55pm) Well yes, although technically only guilty if it wasn't achieved through a legally defined process - Presumably if I've won an election I have a democratic mandate to pursue the statements of my manifesto. I'm not sure if people have noticed, my politics are very leftwing. Crazy Argie bitch thought the same, she was wrong. I would though, right up her General Belgrano. Her skin appears to be falling off her face nowadays.
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| chris123 hove actually 22 Sep 15 4.33pm |
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Quote npn at 22 Sep 2015 4.30pm
Supposing for a moment it were even possible, or sane (it isn't either), how do you think all these people who can now leave the car at home and travel by this wonderful free travel network actually going to fit on? Most services in to London are full and standing before they get within half an hour of the city. So not only do we take on the expense of the network as is, we also presumably need to fund incredible levels of investment into infrastructure, stations, rolling stock, etc. Bibble!
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| Part Time James 22 Sep 15 4.35pm |
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Quote npn at 22 Sep 2015 4.30pm
Supposing for a moment it were even possible, or sane (it isn't either), how do you think all these people who can now leave the car at home and travel by this wonderful free travel network actually going to fit on? Most services in to London are full and standing before they get within half an hour of the city. So not only do we take on the expense of the network as is, we also presumably need to fund incredible levels of investment into infrastructure, stations, rolling stock, etc. Bibble!
This would also generate extra work for train drivers, ticket collectors and people who polish the railway lines. The only downside would be people that do MOTs or vacuum cars would have to develop a different skill set to remain employable. Swings and roundabouts.
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 22 Sep 15 4.46pm |
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I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.
How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?
Just renationalise line by line as the contracts and tenders (no pun intended railway buffs) expire.
Not at all. The French state already run a large number of services in the UK. Until recently the East Coast mainline was state owned but the Tories couldn't bear to allow it to succeed. It was returning more money to the treasury than its privitized competitors - so the people who own the Tory party made sure it was killed off. It is simply a case of letting the existing franchises run down
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| Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 22 Sep 15 4.47pm |
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I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.
How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport? What is your source for the £70m?
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| matt_himself Matataland 22 Sep 15 5.38pm |
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I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.
How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport?
Just renationalise line by line as the contracts and tenders (no pun intended railway buffs) expire.
Not at all. The French state already run a large number of services in the UK. Until recently the East Coast mainline was state owned but the Tories couldn't bear to allow it to succeed. It was returning more money to the treasury than its privitized competitors - so the people who own the Tory party made sure it was killed off. It is simply a case of letting the existing franchises run down Wrong!
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| matt_himself Matataland 22 Sep 15 5.40pm |
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I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.
How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport? What is your source for the £70m?
Network Rails debts are 34 billion. Matter of public record. In 2004 then Chanceelor said that to renationalise rail it would cost 22 billion. Conservatively, add 20% for increase in asset base plus legal and admin fees and you come to 70 billion. Has that answered your question?
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| DanH SW2 22 Sep 15 5.44pm |
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I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.
How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport? What is your source for the £70m?
Network Rails debts are 34 billion. Matter of public record. In 2004 then Chanceelor said that to renationalise rail it would cost 22 billion. Conservatively, add 20% for increase in asset base plus legal and admin fees and you come to 70 billion. Has that answered your question?
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I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.
How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport? What is your source for the £70m?
Network Rails debts are 34 billion. Matter of public record. In 2004 then Chanceelor said that to renationalise rail it would cost 22 billion. Conservatively, add 20% for increase in asset base plus legal and admin fees and you come to 70 billion. Has that answered your question?
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| matt_himself Matataland 22 Sep 15 5.50pm |
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Quote chris123 at 22 Sep 2015 5.45pm
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I'd like to see public transport free at point of use, with a focus on reducing the demand for private automobile use etc, and recouping costs through taxation.
How much would your proposal cost? How much extra would people have to pay in tax in order for this to happen? How would you get people out of their cars and on to public transport? What is your source for the £70m?
Network Rails debts are 34 billion. Matter of public record. In 2004 then Chanceelor said that to renationalise rail it would cost 22 billion. Conservatively, add 20% for increase in asset base plus legal and admin fees and you come to 70 billion. Has that answered your question?
However, it looks like Network Rail could be privatised before the next election.
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