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Ouzo Dan Behind you 12 Apr 13 2.03pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 1.51pm I was amazed at how nice canal boats are. My friend lives and runs his business from a canal boat, and its really really nice. I'd definately consider a mobile home or Pre-Fab house. I wouldn't want to necessarily own either. That said, the problem with mobile homes is always going to be the neighbours. My uncle lived on a mobile home park with his alcoholism, six kids, and wife, I can't imagine a worse situation than having to have lived within 100 yards of them. Indeed if I could have a mobile home I think I'd prefer it to my flat. Problem is, all the mobile homes near me are in hellish areas. Ha to be honest the same can be said of your neighbors anywhere, some are bad some are good just the luck of the draw really. Ive been quite conscious about my plight recently if I lose my job im homeless, so Ive been looking at buying a wide beam narrowboat, they cost as much as a deposit on a house but the benefit being there is no mortgage so im not being skull f*ed by a f*ing bank for the next 25 years, Ive roughly done the math and id halve my outgoings straight away based on a permanent mooring with electric hookup, not a completely perfect solution as in essence id still be paying a rent but id have outgoings of £500 a month as opposed to £1000, I really could put that extra money to good use. But yeah some canal boats are absolutely stunning and knock the spots off some of the super expensive flats you find in the middle of london. The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 1.51pm

I was amazed at how nice canal boats are. My friend lives and runs his business from a canal boat, and its really really nice. I'd definately consider a mobile home or Pre-Fab house. I wouldn't want to necessarily own either.

That said, the problem with mobile homes is always going to be the neighbours. My uncle lived on a mobile home park with his alcoholism, six kids, and wife, I can't imagine a worse situation than having to have lived within 100 yards of them.

Indeed if I could have a mobile home I think I'd prefer it to my flat. Problem is, all the mobile homes near me are in hellish areas.

Ha to be honest the same can be said of your neighbors anywhere, some are bad some are good just the luck of the draw really.
Ive been quite conscious about my plight recently if I lose my job im homeless, so Ive been looking at buying a wide beam narrowboat, they cost as much as a deposit on a house but the benefit being there is no mortgage so im not being skull f***ed by a f***ing bank for the next 25 years, Ive roughly done the math and id halve my outgoings straight away based on a permanent mooring with electric hookup, not a completely perfect solution as in essence id still be paying a rent but id have outgoings of £500 a month as opposed to £1000, I really could put that extra money to good use.

But yeah some canal boats are absolutely stunning and knock the spots off some of the super expensive flats you find in the middle of london.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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matt_himself Matataland 12 Apr 13 2.04pm
Quote Kermit8 at 12 Apr 2013 11.20am Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 10.46am Quote matt_himself at 12 Apr 2013 10.30am Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 10.11am So... what have we actually established so far? 1. Selling off council houses was the most controversial Thatcherite policy 2. the Left are still a bunch of intransigent, head-in-the-sand, dogmatic nutters who should never be allowed near government 3. Teachers' pensions are gold-plated Anything else? Edited by Johnny Eagles (12 Apr 2013 10.14am) 4. Both Nick and Jamie 'talk the talk' but don't 'walk the walk' when it comes to marrying lifestyle to ideals. Don't always walk the walk. I on occassion have sacrificed ethics, I would say that makes me just like anyone else. Its impossible not to, as by working I'll always be supporting a corrupt and capitalist system. Also I'm pragmatic enough to realise that simple answers to complex problems are not enough. I'm not one of those dogmatic left wingers who simply parrot the party line. Actually I'm not very left wing as a rule, left of center, but right down the anti-authoritarian spine of the graph. I don't think you have to explain yourself to those who badger, are bored at work and morally lacking jaime Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2013 11.23am) Be quiet dear, the men are talking. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Quote Kermit8 at 12 Apr 2013 11.20am

Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 10.46am

Quote matt_himself at 12 Apr 2013 10.30am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 10.11am

So... what have we actually established so far?

1. Selling off council houses was the most controversial Thatcherite policy

2. the Left are still a bunch of intransigent, head-in-the-sand, dogmatic nutters who should never be allowed near government

3. Teachers' pensions are gold-plated

Anything else?

Edited by Johnny Eagles (12 Apr 2013 10.14am)

4. Both Nick and Jamie 'talk the talk' but don't 'walk the walk' when it comes to marrying lifestyle to ideals.

Don't always walk the walk. I on occassion have sacrificed ethics, I would say that makes me just like anyone else. Its impossible not to, as by working I'll always be supporting a corrupt and capitalist system.

Also I'm pragmatic enough to realise that simple answers to complex problems are not enough. I'm not one of those dogmatic left wingers who simply parrot the party line.

Actually I'm not very left wing as a rule, left of center, but right down the anti-authoritarian spine of the graph.

I don't think you have to explain yourself to those who badger, are bored at work and morally lacking jaime

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2013 11.23am)

Be quiet dear, the men are talking.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Apr 13 2.18pm
Quote kennybrowns leftfoot at 12 Apr 2013 12.54pm Just had my rest days cancelled for tomorrow and Sunday, both on overtime......... Is it wrong to profit from someones death?? Capitalist Pig..... Pro USA & Israel
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Just had my rest days cancelled for tomorrow and Sunday, both on overtime......... Is it wrong to profit from someones death??

Capitalist Pig.....

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 12 Apr 13 2.23pm
i wonder how much tax the Treasury will get from Mark and Carol's inheritance.? Just wondering, coz i think it might be quite a small amount I disengage, I turn the page.
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i wonder how much tax the Treasury will get from Mark and Carol's inheritance.?

Just wondering, coz i think it might be quite a small amount

I disengage, I turn the page.

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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 12 Apr 13 2.58pm
Quote Forest Hillbilly at 12 Apr 2013 2.23pm i wonder how much tax the Treasury will get from Mark and Carol's inheritance.? Just wondering, coz i think it might be quite a small amount Fck all,mate. It'll al be wrapped up in trusts ad other forms of tax avoidance. All perfectly legal, of course. For those who can afford top trust lawyers, anyway I used to be immortal
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Quote Forest Hillbilly at 12 Apr 2013 2.23pm

i wonder how much tax the Treasury will get from Mark and Carol's inheritance.?

Just wondering, coz i think it might be quite a small amount

Fck all,mate. It'll al be wrapped up in trusts ad other forms of tax avoidance. All perfectly legal, of course. For those who can afford top trust lawyers, anyway

I used to be immortal

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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Apr 13 4.27pm
Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Apr 2013 2.03pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 1.51pm I was amazed at how nice canal boats are. My friend lives and runs his business from a canal boat, and its really really nice. I'd definately consider a mobile home or Pre-Fab house. I wouldn't want to necessarily own either. That said, the problem with mobile homes is always going to be the neighbours. My uncle lived on a mobile home park with his alcoholism, six kids, and wife, I can't imagine a worse situation than having to have lived within 100 yards of them. Indeed if I could have a mobile home I think I'd prefer it to my flat. Problem is, all the mobile homes near me are in hellish areas. Ha to be honest the same can be said of your neighbors anywhere, some are bad some are good just the luck of the draw really. Ive been quite conscious about my plight recently if I lose my job im homeless, so Ive been looking at buying a wide beam narrowboat, they cost as much as a deposit on a house but the benefit being there is no mortgage so im not being skull f*ed by a f*ing bank for the next 25 years, Ive roughly done the math and id halve my outgoings straight away based on a permanent mooring with electric hookup, not a completely perfect solution as in essence id still be paying a rent but id have outgoings of £500 a month as opposed to £1000, I really could put that extra money to good use. But yeah some canal boats are absolutely stunning and knock the spots off some of the super expensive flats you find in the middle of london. I've been contemplating it myself. Likewise if I'm out of work I'm in trouble (and I'm self employed). Ever since my friend moved on to a canal boat and its seemed better than some places I've lived I've been considering it. If you do, get a smoke alarm. Friend of mine is a forensic specialist, he recently attended a fire on a canal boat in which the only thing left they could find to get a dna sample from was the victims prostate! "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Apr 2013 2.03pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 1.51pm

Indeed if I could have a mobile home I think I'd prefer it to my flat. Problem is, all the mobile homes near me are in hellish areas.

But yeah some canal boats are absolutely stunning and knock the spots off some of the super expensive flats you find in the middle of london.

I've been contemplating it myself. Likewise if I'm out of work I'm in trouble (and I'm self employed). Ever since my friend moved on to a canal boat and its seemed better than some places I've lived I've been considering it.

If you do, get a smoke alarm. Friend of mine is a forensic specialist, he recently attended a fire on a canal boat in which the only thing left they could find to get a dna sample from was the victims prostate!

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Apr 13 4.33pm
Quote matt_himself at 12 Apr 2013 2.03pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 10.46am Quote matt_himself at 12 Apr 2013 10.30am Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 10.11am So... what have we actually established so far? 1. Selling off council houses was the most controversial Thatcherite policy 2. the Left are still a bunch of intransigent, head-in-the-sand, dogmatic nutters who should never be allowed near government 3. Teachers' pensions are gold-plated Anything else? Edited by Johnny Eagles (12 Apr 2013 10.14am) 4. Both Nick and Jamie 'talk the talk' but don't 'walk the walk' when it comes to marrying lifestyle to ideals. Don't always walk the walk. I on occassion have sacrificed ethics, I would say that makes me just like anyone else. Its impossible not to, as by working I'll always be supporting a corrupt and capitalist system. Also I'm pragmatic enough to realise that simple answers to complex problems are not enough. I'm not one of those dogmatic left wingers who simply parrot the party line. Actually I'm not very left wing as a rule, left of center, but right down the anti-authoritarian spine of the graph. i.e., you are happy to rail against the system yet embrace it's priviledges. There is, in my mind, a better system of social structure and organisation, that is more inclusive and ethically orientated towards improving the lives of the majority, not the minority. You can't dismiss capitalism out of hand as having no merits or values worth appropriating or considering. Society must be pragmatic, and if socialism (or rather in my case a form of anarchism) is to develop it must be pragmatic first, ideological second. Until then, well I'm in the same boat as everyone else. As for the privillages, I come from a poor(ish) working class background, I saw no nobility in being poor, only suffering. Edited by jamiemartin721 (12 Apr 2013 4.35pm) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 Apr 13 4.33pm

Quote matt_himself at 12 Apr 2013 2.03pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 10.46am

Quote matt_himself at 12 Apr 2013 10.30am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 10.11am

So... what have we actually established so far?

1. Selling off council houses was the most controversial Thatcherite policy

2. the Left are still a bunch of intransigent, head-in-the-sand, dogmatic nutters who should never be allowed near government

3. Teachers' pensions are gold-plated

Anything else?

Edited by Johnny Eagles (12 Apr 2013 10.14am)

4. Both Nick and Jamie 'talk the talk' but don't 'walk the walk' when it comes to marrying lifestyle to ideals.

Also I'm pragmatic enough to realise that simple answers to complex problems are not enough. I'm not one of those dogmatic left wingers who simply parrot the party line.

Actually I'm not very left wing as a rule, left of center, but right down the anti-authoritarian spine of the graph.

i.e., you are happy to rail against the system yet embrace it's priviledges.

There is, in my mind, a better system of social structure and organisation, that is more inclusive and ethically orientated towards improving the lives of the majority, not the minority. You can't dismiss capitalism out of hand as having no merits or values worth appropriating or considering. Society must be pragmatic, and if socialism (or rather in my case a form of anarchism) is to develop it must be pragmatic first, ideological second.

Until then, well I'm in the same boat as everyone else. As for the privillages, I come from a poor(ish) working class background, I saw no nobility in being poor, only suffering.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (12 Apr 2013 4.35pm)

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 12 Apr 13 5.22pm
Quote nickgusset at 12 Apr 2013 12.29am WhiteHorse hasn't been on for a while, was he really a senile Thatch? I notice in the Daily Mirror that of all the council homes sold off, one third are being rented out by private landlords...Probably for a lot more than council rent would cost!!! Edited by nickgusset (12 Apr 2013 12.31am) Again, you are simply parroting what the likes of Owen Jones says. Please explain in a bit more detail how landlords are profiteering or the "Probably for a lot more than council rent would cost!" bit. I asked Owen Jones about this through twitter and he didn't get back to me, funnily enough! Edited by Penge Eagle (12 Apr 2013 5.23pm)
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Quote nickgusset at 12 Apr 2013 12.29am

WhiteHorse hasn't been on for a while, was he really a senile Thatch?

I notice in the Daily Mirror that of all the council homes sold off, one third are being rented out by private landlords...Probably for a lot more than council rent would cost!!!

Edited by nickgusset (12 Apr 2013 12.31am)

Again, you are simply parroting what the likes of Owen Jones says.

Please explain in a bit more detail how landlords are profiteering or the "Probably for a lot more than council rent would cost!" bit.

I asked Owen Jones about this through twitter and he didn't get back to me, funnily enough!

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 12 Apr 13 5.25pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 4.27pm Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Apr 2013 2.03pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 1.51pm I was amazed at how nice canal boats are. My friend lives and runs his business from a canal boat, and its really really nice. I'd definately consider a mobile home or Pre-Fab house. I wouldn't want to necessarily own either. That said, the problem with mobile homes is always going to be the neighbours. My uncle lived on a mobile home park with his alcoholism, six kids, and wife, I can't imagine a worse situation than having to have lived within 100 yards of them. Indeed if I could have a mobile home I think I'd prefer it to my flat. Problem is, all the mobile homes near me are in hellish areas. Ha to be honest the same can be said of your neighbors anywhere, some are bad some are good just the luck of the draw really. Ive been quite conscious about my plight recently if I lose my job im homeless, so Ive been looking at buying a wide beam narrowboat, they cost as much as a deposit on a house but the benefit being there is no mortgage so im not being skull f*ed by a f*ing bank for the next 25 years, Ive roughly done the math and id halve my outgoings straight away based on a permanent mooring with electric hookup, not a completely perfect solution as in essence id still be paying a rent but id have outgoings of £500 a month as opposed to £1000, I really could put that extra money to good use. But yeah some canal boats are absolutely stunning and knock the spots off some of the super expensive flats you find in the middle of london. I've been contemplating it myself. Likewise if I'm out of work I'm in trouble (and I'm self employed). Ever since my friend moved on to a canal boat and its seemed better than some places I've lived I've been considering it. If you do, get a smoke alarm. Friend of mine is a forensic specialist, he recently attended a fire on a canal boat in which the only thing left they could find to get a dna sample from was the victims prostate! Just like Polly Toynbee who has become wealthy due to writing about the poor!
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 4.27pm

Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Apr 2013 2.03pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 1.51pm

Indeed if I could have a mobile home I think I'd prefer it to my flat. Problem is, all the mobile homes near me are in hellish areas.

But yeah some canal boats are absolutely stunning and knock the spots off some of the super expensive flats you find in the middle of london.

Just like Polly Toynbee who has become wealthy due to writing about the poor!

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 12 Apr 13 5.33pm
Thatcher divided the nation(s)/regions, as she has so clearly done on this forum. Labour offered no viable alternative, and their previous crack at Governing had brought the country to a standstill. So Thatcher was the viable alternative (in the days of a 2-party electoral system). Undoubtedly major changes were needed. The Falklands (and Labour's continued ineptitude) allowed her the vital second term she need to progress her policies. Whilst she was ultimately to 'blame' for the social decimation of communities, the 5-year term of Governments forces them to act in tandom with potential voting cycles, instead of taking a more reasonable longer-term view, which would have softened the blow to the industrial communities. No agenda to the attachment. Just some social commentary that was in 'i' newspaper today Attachment: thatcher 001.jpg (1,396.64Kb) I disengage, I turn the page.
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Thatcher divided the nation(s)/regions, as she has so clearly done on this forum.
Labour offered no viable alternative, and their previous crack at Governing had brought the country to a standstill.
So Thatcher was the viable alternative (in the days of a 2-party electoral system).

Undoubtedly major changes were needed. The Falklands (and Labour's continued ineptitude) allowed her the vital second term she need to progress her policies.

Whilst she was ultimately to 'blame' for the social decimation of communities, the 5-year term of Governments forces them to act in tandom with potential voting cycles, instead of taking a more reasonable longer-term view, which would have softened the blow to the industrial communities.

No agenda to the attachment. Just some social commentary that was in 'i' newspaper today

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kingdowieonthewall Sussex, ex-Cronx. 12 Apr 13 5.59pm
apologies if this has already been mentioned within the last 80 odd pages. Labour closed waaay more mines, prior to thatcher coming to power. think its approx. 2 3rds more. she also kept a bunch of average t***s in highly paid work throughout the 80's (spitting image, ben Elton etc. just go on stage,tv, slag off herr thatchler and you were made) Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents? Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.
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apologies if this has already been mentioned within the last 80 odd pages.
Labour closed waaay more mines, prior to thatcher coming to power.
think its approx. 2 3rds more.

she also kept a bunch of average t***s in highly paid work throughout the 80's
(spitting image, ben Elton etc. just go on stage,tv, slag off herr thatchler and you were made)

Kids,tired of being bothered by your pesky parents?
Then leave home, get a job & pay your own bills, while you still know everything.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Apr 13 6.01pm
Quote Penge Eagle at 12 Apr 2013 5.25pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 4.27pm Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Apr 2013 2.03pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 1.51pm I was amazed at how nice canal boats are. My friend lives and runs his business from a canal boat, and its really really nice. I'd definately consider a mobile home or Pre-Fab house. I wouldn't want to necessarily own either. That said, the problem with mobile homes is always going to be the neighbours. My uncle lived on a mobile home park with his alcoholism, six kids, and wife, I can't imagine a worse situation than having to have lived within 100 yards of them. Indeed if I could have a mobile home I think I'd prefer it to my flat. Problem is, all the mobile homes near me are in hellish areas. Ha to be honest the same can be said of your neighbors anywhere, some are bad some are good just the luck of the draw really. Ive been quite conscious about my plight recently if I lose my job im homeless, so Ive been looking at buying a wide beam narrowboat, they cost as much as a deposit on a house but the benefit being there is no mortgage so im not being skull f*ed by a f*ing bank for the next 25 years, Ive roughly done the math and id halve my outgoings straight away based on a permanent mooring with electric hookup, not a completely perfect solution as in essence id still be paying a rent but id have outgoings of £500 a month as opposed to £1000, I really could put that extra money to good use. But yeah some canal boats are absolutely stunning and knock the spots off some of the super expensive flats you find in the middle of london. I've been contemplating it myself. Likewise if I'm out of work I'm in trouble (and I'm self employed). Ever since my friend moved on to a canal boat and its seemed better than some places I've lived I've been considering it. If you do, get a smoke alarm. Friend of mine is a forensic specialist, he recently attended a fire on a canal boat in which the only thing left they could find to get a dna sample from was the victims prostate! Just like Polly Toynbee who has become wealthy due to writing about the poor! Does she look for prostates in charred corpses too? Dirty cow. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 1.51pm

Indeed if I could have a mobile home I think I'd prefer it to my flat. Problem is, all the mobile homes near me are in hellish areas.

But yeah some canal boats are absolutely stunning and knock the spots off some of the super expensive flats you find in the middle of london.

Just like Polly Toynbee who has become wealthy due to writing about the poor!

Does she look for prostates in charred corpses too? Dirty cow.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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