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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 20 Oct 17 9.40am |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Interesting to note that Merkle has come out and said that the talks have gone better than has been reflected in the British press.. Similar to what Malta have said. They've just lost europalace for good. He'll never return there now and he'll gradually lose other countries he can count on to punish us.
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Kermit8  Hevon 20 Oct 17 9.54am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Those complaining of our preparation for no deal that we don't even anticipate but should show we're prepared for, just want little to change under a soft, bend over and get a subservient deal, or worse, another referendum. It seems as though being prepared for no deal will give us THE BEST chance of agreeing THE BEST deal we can get. Calling their bluff you mean? That is if they are bluffing at all. Preparing loudly for a 'no deal' even though we don't want a 'no deal' in order to get a deal is an interesting tactic. From the Gerald Ratner School of Business Management I assume.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Oct 17 10.05am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Calling their bluff you mean? That is if they are bluffing at all. Preparing loudly for a 'no deal' even though we don't want a 'no deal' in order to get a deal is an interesting tactic. From the Gerald Ratner School of Business Management I assume. Compared to the EU heads p1ssing about and being obstructive in talks? How else do you suggest you aim to get more in your favour than not being prepared? Guy on QT last night made a good point. In big deals and negotiations it can seem like one day an impasse could last forever, then next day after sleeping on it neither side wants that and they come together and things progress. We're a big country and importer. It has to.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 20 Oct 17 10.09am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Compared to the EU heads p1ssing about and being obstructive in talks? How else do you suggest you aim to get more in your favour than not being prepared? Guy on QT last night made a good point. In big deals and negotiations it can seem like one day an impasse could last forever, then next day after sleeping on it neither side wants that and they come together and things progress. We're a big country and importer. It has to. They won't move significantly until Ireland, the bill we owe, and EU nationals status is resolved. They have been 100% clear on that since day one. The ball has always been in our court. We are still bouncing it up and down and when we do try to return it it hits the net due to whatnot.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Oct 17 10.16am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
They won't move significantly until Ireland, the bill we owe, and EU nationals status is resolved. They have been 100% clear on that since day one. The ball has always been in our court. We are still bouncing it up and down and when we do try to return it it hits the net due to whatnot. Well we're willing to be more than reasonable on all of those, including the EU nationals, but I agree that's a long process if they want to wait on that since we sensibly require reciprocal agreements from each country.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 20 Oct 17 10.17am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
They won't move significantly until Ireland, the bill we owe, and EU nationals status is resolved. They have been 100% clear on that since day one. The ball has always been in our court. We are still bouncing it up and down and when we do try to return it it hits the net due to whatnot. I disagree on this point...as long as we appear willing to pay something talks will continue. There's already been movement on this, and the EU would have to be bonkers to expect the full amount to be paid. Negotiations are about finding a middle ground, not bullying the other into submission.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Oct 17 10.50am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Well we're willing to be more than reasonable on all of those, including the EU nationals, but I agree that's a long process if they want to wait on that since we sensibly require reciprocal agreements from each country. I don't think that's the sticking point, its the UK offering 20bn as their pay out, which the EU claims won't even cover the costs of British Citizens still living within the EU in terms of social security, pensions etc. I'd imagine that in any negotiation the initial basic cost tends to be the point to agree before you start dealing with terms of agreement.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 20 Oct 17 10.51am |
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Mrs May does not tell the truth and nobody could trust her. The UK politicians side all at odds with each other, how could you negotiate with them. More than half of the UK probably don't want it and wish it would go away. The UK would rebound if this farce was halted.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Oct 17 10.51am |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
I disagree on this point...as long as we appear willing to pay something talks will continue. There's already been movement on this, and the EU would have to be bonkers to expect the full amount to be paid. Negotiations are about finding a middle ground, not bullying the other into submission. Well the middle ground certainly isn't 20bn either, which is the UK offer that they 'holding firm on' - If I was in the EU's position, I wouldn't negotiate anything until a price was agreed.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 20 Oct 17 11.02am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well the middle ground certainly isn't 20bn either, which is the UK offer that they 'holding firm on' - If I was in the EU's position, I wouldn't negotiate anything until a price was agreed. In private iMay is willing to pay 40 billion euros. Merkel wants £90 billion. So it looks like it could be the £50 mil or so round number conjured up a while back. iMay was a typo but have left it. Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 Oct 2017 11.05am)
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| Stirlingsays 20 Oct 17 11.02am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Well the middle ground certainly isn't 20bn either, which is the UK offer that they 'holding firm on' - If I was in the EU's position, I wouldn't negotiate anything until a price was agreed. Then I wouldn't negotiate with you. A closed fist meets a closed fist. If the Tories cave in.....well, they will lose their own base.....The left will by definition never vote for them anyway. As these forums show...plenty of them are anti British pro EU types anyway. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 11.03am)
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| Stirlingsays 20 Oct 17 11.07am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
In private iMay is willing to pay 40 billion euros. Merkel wants £90 billion. So it looks like it could be the £50 mil or so round number conjured up a while back. iMay was a typo but have left it. Edited by Rudi Hedman (20 Oct 2017 11.05am) Wow....40 billion is just too high. May is useless.....Just a typical 'wet' with no balls. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Oct 2017 11.09am)
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