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Lyons550 Shirley 19 Oct 17 3.15pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Yes I know leave won. That's not the issue. I want to know what's going well. Just why do we need to know at this juncture?? It's not as if any of us can influence talks...as such they'd be foolish to let us know during the process until agreements are made...after which then clearly they can tell us...again not that we could do anything about it.
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Lyons550 Shirley 19 Oct 17 4.22pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
That excuses them for shutting us out of trade talks? We could be invited into their trade talks at any moment. I see no reason why not other than they don't want us aware of any wavering support on their side until we're aware of the punishing means to put off that wavering support. And that's fair?
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Mapletree Croydon 19 Oct 17 4.28pm | |
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Originally posted by npn
Here is where I am obviously missing a major point. Why are the EU seemingly asking the UK to make an offer? If this is a bill to settle up funds already committed to (which I totally agree we should pay) surely it is easy to just present us with a bill "roads in Italy, 30m, Spanish hospital 10m" etc. Is the EU paperwork really in such a shocking state that they don't know what we actually owe? Anyone know why this isn't as easy as I think it should be? We made commitments with unknown financial consequences. You know, a bit like buying options. You can't really judge their true worth. It would take one hell of a Black Scholes calculation to work this little lot out. It's every tiny corner of the economy.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 19 Oct 17 4.37pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I am surprised you think it is an opportunity! There is no evidence surely other than wishing it. Well hope it goes well. What is the use of that.... It's definitely an opportunity, but also a risk. I currently can't see it going well due to Tory party infighting and May's weak position, plus wasted time and uncertainty pushing people and business away. I hope for a positive outcome but I think the Tories will blow it. There is also the risk that the EU does what Varoufakis believes it will and inflict a bad outcome on the UK to make an example of it to other member states. The EU is not perfect and things like TTIP and TISA are quite worrying, but sadly the Tories love them more than the EU does. Leaving the EU helps to avoid these though as we can get rid of the Tories (hopefully soon). We can also do more to protect our environment and invest in our economy and protect workers. I would have more immigration not less though and look to make it as frictionless as possible. More mobile labour within society and across borders and more restriction on capital is much better from an economic point of view. Sadly I can't see it happening though and I'm quite worried about Brexit and the constraints it will end up putting on ordinary people and the impact it will have on inequality and business.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 19 Oct 17 4.45pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
It's definitely an opportunity, but also a risk. I currently can't see it going well due to Tory party infighting and May's weak position, plus wasted time and uncertainty pushing people and business away. I hope for a positive outcome but I think the Tories will blow it. There is also the risk that the EU does what Varoufakis believes it will and inflict a bad outcome on the UK to make an example of it to other member states. The EU is not perfect and things like TTIP and TISA are quite worrying, but sadly the Tories love them more than the EU does. Leaving the EU helps to avoid these though as we can get rid of the Tories (hopefully soon). We can also do more to protect our environment and invest in our economy and protect workers. I would have more immigration not less though and look to make it as frictionless as possible. More mobile labour within society and across borders and more restriction on capital is much better from an economic point of view. Sadly I can't see it happening though and I'm quite worried about Brexit and the constraints it will end up putting on ordinary people and the impact it will have on inequality and business. Corbyn has been over to Brussels with kier Starmer today. Wonder what he said to the key figures he met.
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Hrolf The Ganger 19 Oct 17 4.52pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Corbyn has been over to Brussels with kier Starmer today. Wonder what he said to the key figures he met. Who cares.
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elgrande bedford 19 Oct 17 4.55pm | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
It's definitely an opportunity, but also a risk. I currently can't see it going well due to Tory party infighting and May's weak position, plus wasted time and uncertainty pushing people and business away. I hope for a positive outcome but I think the Tories will blow it. There is also the risk that the EU does what Varoufakis believes it will and inflict a bad outcome on the UK to make an example of it to other member states. The EU is not perfect and things like TTIP and TISA are quite worrying, but sadly the Tories love them more than the EU does. Leaving the EU helps to avoid these though as we can get rid of the Tories (hopefully soon). We can also do more to protect our environment and invest in our economy and protect workers. I would have more immigration not less though and look to make it as frictionless as possible. More mobile labour within society and across borders and more restriction on capital is much better from an economic point of view. Sadly I can't see it happening though and I'm quite worried about Brexit and the constraints it will end up putting on ordinary people and the impact it will have on inequality and business. So in one sentence you say you welcome more immigration, and in another say you worry about ordinarily people with the tory brexit.....more immigration will surely affect the " ordinarily people " as you call them.
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elgrande bedford 19 Oct 17 4.56pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Corbyn has been over to Brussels with kier Starmer today. Wonder what he said to the key figures he met. Thankfully they have no say.ivory towers an all.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 19 Oct 17 4.59pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
So in one sentence you say you welcome more immigration, and in another say you worry about ordinarily people with the tory brexit.....more immigration will surely affect the " ordinarily people " as you call them. You've been hoodwinked for years mate. It's not your fault.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 19 Oct 17 5.00pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Who cares.
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 19 Oct 17 5.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
It's 1 v 27 If you fancy the UKs chances of wriggling out of pre-accepted financial agreements on our terms then good luck to you still living in cloud-cuckoo land No it is not as there are about 20 other countries that are saying telling Michel Barnier and Jean-Claude Wancker to just get on with it and stop stalling and trying to make us look like c~nts to the rest of the world. They are fed up with all the cr@p that is coming from the negotiations their end and want to get on and thrash out a trade deal and other things. It seems that we are not alone in the UK of thinking "why should we take all the sh1t from Jean-Claude Wancker and his cronies. IMO they are crapping themselves in case we suddenly DO a hard Brexit.
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elgrande bedford 19 Oct 17 5.03pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
You've been hoodwinked for years mate. It's not your fault. Hoodwinked by what.....
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