I'm not sure they don't want to give us a "fair deal" but they have a different idea of what a fair contribution is from the UK given our obligations built up as part of the EU.

I think it's Germany who are most hardline in not wanting to move on from the issues that were set out right at the start as being necessary to be resolved before moving on, as they have not been resolved. It's ultimately Germany who will have to pick up the bill for any shortfall in contributions which rightly should have been paid by the UK so they want to make sure Britain pays what they think should be paid. Don't forget Merkel has her own electorate to answer to who will not look kindly on her putting them in a position where they are making up a shortfall from Brexit. We'd feel the same in their position.

Ultimately these things take time and in fairness the government wasted months with a general election, its fall out, and not having done any real preparation for 9 months post referendum, instead wasting our time and money on pointless legal battles over triggering article 50.

If we walk away from those obligations we have who would want to deal with us in the future? How could we be trusted? The EU would certainly look to pursue us through international arbitration which would again last ages and be messy and cause more uncertainty and distract government from running the country.

Spoken like a true frothing Remainer.
You can chatter as much as you like but your obstruction of democracy has failed. THe referendum was exactly the sort of public consultation you seem to favour and now you have to live with it.

You talk about tyrany. We are just leaving one.
All we have heard is doomladen predictions from your side and guess what? The world is still turning.

That excuses them for shutting us out of trade talks? We could be invited into their trade talks at any moment. I see no reason why not other than they don't want us aware of any wavering support on their side until we're aware of the punishing means to put off that wavering support. And that's fair?

I'm sorry but you do need a wider aim than simply leaving. What about once we've left? Pull up the drawbridge and close the ports?

You were the one saying halfwits shouldn't be allowed a say. I was merely pointing out that such a policy would have ended up in Remain winning which would have defeated your only aim. While degrees don't stop people from being halfwits, there is a strong positive correlation between IQ and educational attainment.

That excuses them for shutting us out of trade talks? We could be invited into their trade talks at any moment. I see no reason why not other than they don't want us aware of any wavering support on their side until we're aware of the punishing means to put off that wavering support. And that's fair?

So not only those projects beyond the agreed cut off ties but also closed discussions in how to 'agree' unfair trade proposals to prevent it happening again.

So it's fair that we continue our project agreements and also fair they stitch us up behind closed doors. Okay.