So we should have public votes on policy?

With the number of halfwits currently populating this country, that is a scary thought.

So you are happy as you agree with a certain position and you're unhappy if anyone even wants to pass comment, or make suggestions to improve the situation?

Tory MPs are accusing their own government of paving the way to tyranny, but because we're heading towards something you want you are happy to be lead by tyrants? What happens when there is future constitutional change or major policy that you don't agree with being proposed? Will you just shut up and wave it through?

Brexit is too big to just allow this government to ruin it and use it for their own ends. Simply leaving the single market and customs union isn't the issue. It's how we make decisions and use the powers we get back from Brussels that is the issue. It's how we shape our future trade agreements and relationships with our neighbours. It's how we use this to make our society fairer, stop people being stuck for decades in low pay (see news today), how we re-balance the economy to make work pay and those with the most contribute properly and make work more valuable than capital appreciation.

The notion that we should ignore all of this is absurd and frankly quite harmful to people's lives.

Cripes Lunch time O'Booze talk R.

Your personal gym membership is not really comparable to membership of the European Union!

I think economic reality makes you leave the gym but stay in the EU.

You do the Maths...

I was thinking the same

It does make you wonder if some Leavers have still got their fingers in their ears. Do they not watch nor read the news?

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I'm not sure they don't want to give us a "fair deal" but they have a different idea of what a fair contribution is from the UK given our obligations built up as part of the EU.

I think it's Germany who are most hardline in not wanting to move on from the issues that were set out right at the start as being necessary to be resolved before moving on, as they have not been resolved. It's ultimately Germany who will have to pick up the bill for any shortfall in contributions which rightly should have been paid by the UK so they want to make sure Britain pays what they think should be paid. Don't forget Merkel has her own electorate to answer to who will not look kindly on her putting them in a position where they are making up a shortfall from Brexit. We'd feel the same in their position.

Ultimately these things take time and in fairness the government wasted months with a general election, its fall out, and not having done any real preparation for 9 months post referendum, instead wasting our time and money on pointless legal battles over triggering article 50.

If we walk away from those obligations we have who would want to deal with us in the future? How could we be trusted? The EU would certainly look to pursue us through international arbitration which would again last ages and be messy and cause more uncertainty and distract government from running the country.