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  SW19 CPFC  Addiscombe West 08 Jan 21 4.58pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
The y access is "Weekly ICU admissions of flu/covid patients per million in winter" The x access is all year round. It maxes out at 17. Which means its saying in a week, we had approximately 1,200 ICU beds full of covid patients. If the maximum number of people to die in a day in April was over 1000 your expect ICUs to be a lot busier. Something is not write with that graph, despite it coming from twitter, fountain of all truth! It's from the FT, specifically.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 08 Jan 21 5.04pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
The y access is "Weekly ICU admissions of flu/covid patients per million in winter" The x access is all year round. It maxes out at 17. Which means its saying in a week, we had approximately 1,200 ICU beds full of covid patients. If the maximum number of people to die in a day in April was over 1000 your expect ICUs to be a lot busier. Something is not write with that graph, despite it coming from twitter, fountain of all truth! For the purpose of context [Tweet Link]
Edited by SW19 CPFC (08 Jan 2021 5.05pm)
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BlueJay  UK 08 Jan 21 5.09pm |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
The y access is "Weekly ICU admissions of flu/covid patients per million in winter" The x access is all year round. It maxes out at 17. Which means its saying in a week, we had approximately 1,200 ICU beds full of covid patients. If the maximum number of people to die in a day in April was over 1000 your expect ICUs to be a lot busier. Something is not write with that graph, despite it coming from twitter, fountain of all truth! Just my take, but highlighting admissions in a given week says nothing as to who has been discharged or moved out of ICU beds. So if that's the case the numbers would be much higher. Though maybe I'm understanding this incorrectly.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 08 Jan 21 5.13pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Just my take, but highlighting admissions in a given week says nothing as to who has been discharged or moved out of ICU beds. So if that's the case the numbers would be much higher. Though maybe I'm understanding this incorrectly. From what I understand the chart does not suggest the number of beds are constant. It doesn't have any information about capacity. You can try to infer capacity from it (it would flat-line if beds were 100% full) but that is it.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 08 Jan 21 5.18pm |
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The last one, I promise – this is a thread summarising the key FT charts drawn from NHS and gov data on cases vs. a normal season from his account.
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| BlueJay UK 08 Jan 21 5.23pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
From what I understand the chart does not suggest the number of beds are constant. It doesn't have any information about capacity. You can try to infer capacity from it (it would flat-line if beds were 100% full) but that is it. Rather than a point about capacity, I was more making the point that the number of admissions in a given week doesn't imply that there aren't already still thousands of people in ICU from priors weeks. I get the gist anyway and it's worth highlighting as people certainly never seem to 'really' mentally twig the potential consequences of huge numbers of people requiring hospital treatment simultaneously.
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| BlueJay UK 08 Jan 21 5.27pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
The last one, I promise – this is a thread summarising the key FT charts drawn from NHS and gov data on cases vs. a normal season from his account. It's sad that, during a pandemic,this stuff still needs to be explained. But I'm glad it highlights the pressure our health services are under and realities they're facing.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 08 Jan 21 5.27pm |
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There can be no doubt short-cuts have been taken for vaccine approval.
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| BlueJay UK 08 Jan 21 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
There can be no doubt short-cuts have been taken for vaccine approval. It's impossible to deny that its been fast tracked, though clearly they've done their level best within that period of time best to ensure that these vaccines are safe. And again posts like this aren't a 'freebie'. If you're inferring that we shouldn't be vaccinating people yet, or we should all think twice about taking it you yourself are condemning tens of thousands of people to death. There are consequences to either approach. Weighing the situation up, the 'sensible' move would appear to be to encourage the elderly especially to take this vaccine, rather than put them off. Edited by BlueJay (08 Jan 2021 5.33pm)
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 08 Jan 21 5.33pm |
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politicicing science. Started with Thatcher's "Seasonally adjusted" unemployment figures. Believe what you want. Your choice of media defines your beliefs.
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| BlueJay UK 08 Jan 21 5.39pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
politicicing science. Started with Thatcher's "Seasonally adjusted" unemployment figures. Believe what you want. Your choice of media defines your beliefs. Not at all. The choice of engaging your brain does. If you're honestly 'neutral' or against the idea of the elderly being vaccinated for instance, then I'm not sure why you're aghast at the unfounded idea of legions of vaccine related deaths. You would instead almost certainly know that dissuading them from vaccinating would lead to tens of thousands of deaths. So those are the facts at hand. Or maybe that doesn't matter to you because of 'your choice of media'.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 08 Jan 21 5.41pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Not at all. The choice of engaging your brain does. If you're honestly 'neutral' or against the idea of the elderly being vaccinated for instance, then I'm not sure why you're aghast at the unfounded idea of legions of vaccine related deaths. You would instead almost certainly know that dissuading them from vaccinating would lead to tens of thousands of deaths. So those are the facts at hand. Or maybe that doesn't matter to you because of 'your choice of media'. Ha. Touché
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