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Stirlingsays 23 Jun 24 12.35am
Originally posted by Beanyboysmd Fair, but they are the other side in a cold/proxy war. Enemy might be too strong but it is somewhere between opposite number and enemy. One for the linguists I think... Well it's certainly that now. BRICs is now a serious problem for all of us. However, the world has already had far far too much escalation and really does not need anymore. Seemingly that's all we get. No one seems capable of real diplomacy and the art of the politics of the possible. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Jun 24 12.35am

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

Fair, but they are the other side in a cold/proxy war. Enemy might be too strong but it is somewhere between opposite number and enemy. One for the linguists I think...

Well it's certainly that now.

BRICs is now a serious problem for all of us.

However, the world has already had far far too much escalation and really does not need anymore. Seemingly that's all we get.

No one seems capable of real diplomacy and the art of the politics of the possible.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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HKOwen Hong Kong 23 Jun 24 1.04am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Starmer’s growth plan doomed without access to EU markets, warn economists. Labour leader told if elected he will have to rejoin the customs union to meet party’s manifesto pledges, while 56% of voters say Brexit was bad for economy. This. So either he intends to obtain " access " or he and Reeves are idiots. Any comment on the strikes under Blair government, you know, the ones you don't remember Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 23 Jun 24 1.04am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Starmer’s growth plan doomed without access to EU markets, warn economists.

Labour leader told if elected he will have to rejoin the customs union to meet party’s manifesto pledges, while 56% of voters say Brexit was bad for economy.

This.

So either he intends to obtain " access " or he and Reeves are idiots.

Any comment on the strikes under Blair government, you know, the ones you don't remember

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Jun 24 9.22am
Divide the population and conquer (retain authority) Offer them a 'choice' of Government A choice of football team A choice of religion there are may other examples, all designed to keep the population under control. The choice of the individual is unimportant. The fact the individual still believes they have a choice in anything is the core preserve. nothing will change. You are all under control Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Jun 2024 9.23am) I disengage, I turn the page.
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Divide the population and conquer (retain authority)
Offer them a 'choice' of Government
A choice of football team
A choice of religion

there are may other examples, all designed to keep the population under control. The choice of the individual is unimportant. The fact the individual still believes they have a choice in anything is the core preserve.

nothing will change. You are all under control

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (23 Jun 2024 9.23am)

I disengage, I turn the page.

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JRW2 Dulwich 23 Jun 24 9.44am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You are certainly right that they aren't very important. Some would make the case that they aren't improvements either. Are you certain that they couldn't have been controlled via local laws or by negotiation with Brussels if considered necessary? You don't seem to understand the point, which is not the pros and cons of the issues but the fact that in the EU we couldn't take control of our own affairs. As for people who you suggest may exist who would make the case for submitting sentient beings to long, stressful journeys packed into boats and lorries, in cold or heat, without food or drink, I regard them as beneath contempt. And I imagine a very big majority of our people would favour insurers setting prices on the basis of risk rather than gender equality. As for your question ("Are you certain...), you really are scraping the bottom of your intellectual barrel: local laws to allow us not to comply with EU regulations around car insurance and the export of animals? Please, don't demean yourself with such nonsense. Your desperation not to cede to someone with whom you disagree seems to know no bounds.
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Dulwich 23 Jun 24 9.44am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are certainly right that they aren't very important. Some would make the case that they aren't improvements either.

Are you certain that they couldn't have been controlled via local laws or by negotiation with Brussels if considered necessary?

You don't seem to understand the point, which is not the pros and cons of the issues but the fact that in the EU we couldn't take control of our own affairs. As for people who you suggest may exist who would make the case for submitting sentient beings to long, stressful journeys packed into boats and lorries, in cold or heat, without food or drink, I regard them as beneath contempt. And I imagine a very big majority of our people would favour insurers setting prices on the basis of risk rather than gender equality.

As for your question ("Are you certain...), you really are scraping the bottom of your intellectual barrel: local laws to allow us not to comply with EU regulations around car insurance and the export of animals? Please, don't demean yourself with such nonsense. Your desperation not to cede to someone with whom you disagree seems to know no bounds.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 10.48am
Originally posted by eaglesdare It is irresponsible to peddle wild ridiculous conspiracy theories about Putin or indeed Farage. Especially during times of misinformation and disinformation which runs rapid throughout the mainstream media and those lefty folk. What is irresponsible is to deny the obvious or what our own intelligence services warn us about. That Russia manipulates opinion in the western democracies is not a conspiracy theory. It is a proven fact. That Farage said what he said is on record and in plain sight. So not a conspiracy theory either. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 10.48am

Originally posted by eaglesdare

It is irresponsible to peddle wild ridiculous conspiracy theories about Putin or indeed Farage.

Especially during times of misinformation and disinformation which runs rapid throughout the mainstream media and those lefty folk.

What is irresponsible is to deny the obvious or what our own intelligence services warn us about. That Russia manipulates opinion in the western democracies is not a conspiracy theory. It is a proven fact.

That Farage said what he said is on record and in plain sight. So not a conspiracy theory either.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jun 24 11.26am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What is irresponsible is to deny the obvious or what our own intelligence services warn us about. That Russia manipulates opinion in the western democracies is not a conspiracy theory. It is a proven fact. That Farage said what he said is on record and in plain sight. So not a conspiracy theory either. Tosh. What Farage says is simply that the EU instigated unrest in Ukraine. He is right. In typical form, you and your like minds want to paint it as something else. Straw man stuff springing up all over from people desperate to undermine him.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That Farage said what he said is on record and in plain sight. So not a conspiracy theory either.

Tosh.

What Farage says is simply that the EU instigated unrest in Ukraine. He is right.

In typical form, you and your like minds want to paint it as something else.
Straw man stuff springing up all over from people desperate to undermine him.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 11.27am
Originally posted by JRW2 You don't seem to understand the point, which is not the pros and cons of the issues but the fact that in the EU we couldn't take control of our own affairs. As for people who you suggest may exist who would make the case for submitting sentient beings to long, stressful journeys packed into boats and lorries, in cold or heat, without food or drink, I regard them as beneath contempt. And I imagine a very big majority of our people would favour insurers setting prices on the basis of risk rather than gender equality. As for your question ("Are you certain...), you really are scraping the bottom of your intellectual barrel: local laws to allow us not to comply with EU regulations around car insurance and the export of animals? Please, don't demean yourself with such nonsense. Your desperation not to cede to someone with whom you disagree seems to know no bounds. Of course we could, and always did, take control of our own affairs! It’s you and all the Euro-sceptics who never understood the point about how the EU actually works. The UK was, always has been, and remains today, a sovereign nation. All that happened during our time as members of the EU was that in some areas of common interest we agreed to cooperate and share the decision making, delegating the leg work to a central body. That was our decision, made by us, removed by us. It did not extend to vital areas of fiscal control, foreign policy or defence. It concerned areas where it was more efficient and effective to do things collectively. The principle, much quoted by Thatcher, of subsidiarity, being applied. At no time have I expressed anything but total contempt for the people smugglers. It’s them who need to be found and locked away for a long time. I worked, in my early years, for a car insurer. Premiums were always determined on assessed risk, whatever the regulations might have been. So far as I am aware the EU regulations only impose common sense. Making it compulsory for drivers to possess insurance, that it extends across the EU and builds a fund to cover uninsured risk. I am neither a farmer nor involved in the movement of animals in any way. Are you? I am far from certain about this area. I am though aware that Brexit caused difficulties that weren’t there before. Some of the issues being explained here:- [Link] For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 11.27am

Originally posted by JRW2

Of course we could, and always did, take control of our own affairs! It’s you and all the Euro-sceptics who never understood the point about how the EU actually works.

The UK was, always has been, and remains today, a sovereign nation. All that happened during our time as members of the EU was that in some areas of common interest we agreed to cooperate and share the decision making, delegating the leg work to a central body. That was our decision, made by us, removed by us. It did not extend to vital areas of fiscal control, foreign policy or defence. It concerned areas where it was more efficient and effective to do things collectively. The principle, much quoted by Thatcher, of subsidiarity, being applied.

At no time have I expressed anything but total contempt for the people smugglers. It’s them who need to be found and locked away for a long time.

I worked, in my early years, for a car insurer. Premiums were always determined on assessed risk, whatever the regulations might have been. So far as I am aware the EU regulations only impose common sense. Making it compulsory for drivers to possess insurance, that it extends across the EU and builds a fund to cover uninsured risk.

I am neither a farmer nor involved in the movement of animals in any way. Are you? I am far from certain about this area. I am though aware that Brexit caused difficulties that weren’t there before. Some of the issues being explained here:-

[Link]

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 11.34am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Tosh. What Farage says is simply that the EU instigated unrest in Ukraine. He is right. In typical form, you and your like minds want to paint it as something else. Straw man stuff springing up all over from people desperate to undermine him. What Farage said is an opinion. Which he is entitled to hold, and is shared by some. That doesn’t make it right. It is just an opinion. It isn’t though the issue. No one would seek to deny him an opinion. The criticism is whether, when and how it has been expressed. The reason that criticism is important is that he is seeking to represent people and beyond that to lead a group of opinion makers. So the question is, can he be trusted to know when to keep his mouth shut? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 11.34am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Tosh.

What Farage says is simply that the EU instigated unrest in Ukraine. He is right.

In typical form, you and your like minds want to paint it as something else.
Straw man stuff springing up all over from people desperate to undermine him.

What Farage said is an opinion. Which he is entitled to hold, and is shared by some. That doesn’t make it right. It is just an opinion.

It isn’t though the issue. No one would seek to deny him an opinion. The criticism is whether, when and how it has been expressed.

The reason that criticism is important is that he is seeking to represent people and beyond that to lead a group of opinion makers.

So the question is, can he be trusted to know when to keep his mouth shut?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Hrolf The Ganger 23 Jun 24 11.42am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What Farage said is an opinion. Which he is entitled to hold, and is shared by some. That doesn’t make it right. It is just an opinion. It isn’t though the issue. No one would seek to deny him an opinion. The criticism is whether, when and how it has been expressed. The reason that criticism is important is that he is seeking to represent people and beyond that to lead a group of opinion makers. So the question is, can he be trusted to know when to keep his mouth shut? This is a question of consistency. Something that politicians lack. Farage was asked a question about something he said years ago, and unlike most of the slimy twerps on show in this election, he stuck to the opinions he previously stated. Refreshing, and an opinion which circumstances support. Gung ho sabre rattling nonsense, by contrast, is the last thing we need right now with escalation a possibility. Strength not stupidity.
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23 Jun 24 11.42am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What Farage said is an opinion. Which he is entitled to hold, and is shared by some. That doesn’t make it right. It is just an opinion.

It isn’t though the issue. No one would seek to deny him an opinion. The criticism is whether, when and how it has been expressed.

The reason that criticism is important is that he is seeking to represent people and beyond that to lead a group of opinion makers.

So the question is, can he be trusted to know when to keep his mouth shut?

This is a question of consistency. Something that politicians lack.
Farage was asked a question about something he said years ago, and unlike most of the slimy twerps on show in this election, he stuck to the opinions he previously stated.

Refreshing, and an opinion which circumstances support.
Gung ho sabre rattling nonsense, by contrast, is the last thing we need right now with escalation a possibility.

Strength not stupidity.

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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 23 Jun 24 11.59am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Of course we could, and always did, take control of our own affairs! It’s you and all the Euro-sceptics who never understood the point about how the EU actually works. The UK was, always has been, and remains today, a sovereign nation. All that happened during our time as members of the EU was that in some areas of common interest we agreed to cooperate and share the decision making, delegating the leg work to a central body. That was our decision, made by us, removed by us. It did not extend to vital areas of fiscal control, foreign policy or defence. It concerned areas where it was more efficient and effective to do things collectively. The principle, much quoted by Thatcher, of subsidiarity, being applied. At no time have I expressed anything but total contempt for the people smugglers. It’s them who need to be found and locked away for a long time. I worked, in my early years, for a car insurer. Premiums were always determined on assessed risk, whatever the regulations might have been. So far as I am aware the EU regulations only impose common sense. Making it compulsory for drivers to possess insurance, that it extends across the EU and builds a fund to cover uninsured risk. I am neither a farmer nor involved in the movement of animals in any way. Are you? I am far from certain about this area. I am though aware that Brexit caused difficulties that weren’t there before. Some of the issues being explained here:- [Link] "It did not extend to vital areas of fiscal control, foreign policy or defence."....just because countries like France ignore the EU fiscal controls doesn't mean that they don't exist hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course we could, and always did, take control of our own affairs! It’s you and all the Euro-sceptics who never understood the point about how the EU actually works.

At no time have I expressed anything but total contempt for the people smugglers. It’s them who need to be found and locked away for a long time.

[Link]

"It did not extend to vital areas of fiscal control, foreign policy or defence."....just because countries like France ignore the EU fiscal controls doesn't mean that they don't exist

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 12.07pm
Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines "It did not extend to vital areas of fiscal control, foreign policy or defence."....just because countries like France ignore the EU fiscal controls doesn't mean that they don't exist The EU sets targets and has rules but the policies are controlled at local level on taxation and deficits. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 23 Jun 24 12.07pm

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

"It did not extend to vital areas of fiscal control, foreign policy or defence."....just because countries like France ignore the EU fiscal controls doesn't mean that they don't exist

The EU sets targets and has rules but the policies are controlled at local level on taxation and deficits.

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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 23 Jun 24 12.13pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The EU sets targets and has rules but the policies are controlled at local level on taxation and deficits. This from the Washington Post (yes, I know it's not the BBC...): "On Wednesday, The European Union's executive arm chastised France and six other countries for incurring excessive budget deficits in violation of the bloc's fiscal rules. The statement begins a formal process that will force the spendthrift nations to negotiate a plan with Brussels to return to sound budgeting." hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.
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Sussex 23 Jun 24 12.13pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The EU sets targets and has rules but the policies are controlled at local level on taxation and deficits.

This from the Washington Post (yes, I know it's not the BBC...): "On Wednesday, The European Union's executive arm chastised France and six other countries for incurring excessive budget deficits in violation of the bloc's fiscal rules. The statement begins a formal process that will force the spendthrift nations to negotiate a plan with Brussels to return to sound budgeting."

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

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