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Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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  georgenorman  02 Mar 22 2.40pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Fascist? I hear this word used all the time now. The jump away from its original meaning is huge. Confronted? Confronted how? I don't mean to be picky but I'd quite like to see my sons grow up. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Mar 2022 2.28pm) He won't stop. He will attack a NATO country eventually. It is Hitler mark II. Edited by georgenorman (02 Mar 2022 2.40pm)
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| W12 02 Mar 22 2.40pm | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Yes, I think people should be critical of all that they take in, including what they chose to be aligned to on account of such lack of trust (as distrust can often be used as an 'in' for those selling their own snake oil or blinkered, dead end outlooks). A mid point and holistic take is likely the best approach by taking in media of various perspectives that can be ascertained to have a degree of accuracy and honesty to it. Of course often people want to feel part of something though, and so being too 'balanced' in a take doesn't sometimes do you any favours and can become a thankless task in polarised times. I'd say that some do manage it though. The likes of Russell Brand perhaps, who is liberal minded but at the same time certainly not shy of pointing out significant faults in the establishment and politics and players of all stripes [Link] . Edited by BlueJay (02 Mar 2022 2.34pm) Brand gets it (or is at least starting to) and you now have the likes of feminist Naomi Wolf violently agreeing with the likes of Steve Bannon because they can see the problem is not ideology but power and corruption. What they all have in common (including Joe Rogan btw) is that as soon as they are challenging the real power of the neo-liberal empire they are relentlessly attacked. Our alphabet agencies now have huge teams of people that make sure this happens.
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| W12 02 Mar 22 2.42pm | |
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Sums it up for me.
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Attachment: | Hrolf The Ganger 02 Mar 22 2.43pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Yes, some of the coverage is sickening. 24 hour news loves this stuff.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 22 2.45pm |
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Originally posted by W12
They are alpha males who believe in a strong national identity. That's why the globalists hate them. Because nothing can get in the way of the free flow of capital, products and people across the world to enrich the few. That's a good thing? No doubt you would have regarded Stalin, Hitler, Mau, Genghis Khan and Pol Pot, to name a few at random, as "alpha males"! Admire them too? Whilst globalism is a thing, globalists are not. Globalism is a consequence of a changed world. One that has arrived through circumstance and not been created by man. Internationalists understand this and have learned how to live with it. Commerce always enriches some, whatever system exists. Globalism though enriches the many, not just the few. In this case the many who live in the underdeveloped world and not the few who live in the overdeveloped world. We are being diverted. The only "alpha male" whose actions demand he be restrained at present is Putin. I think anyone who apologises for, tries to justify, or excuse, what Putin is doing needs to take a good hard look at their values and sense of morality.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Mar 22 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Yes, I think people should be critical of all that they take in, including what they chose to be aligned to on account of such lack of trust (as distrust can often be used as an 'in' for those selling their own snake oil or blinkered, dead end outlooks). A mid point and holistic take is likely the best approach by taking in media of various perspectives that can be ascertained to have a degree of accuracy and honesty to it. Of course often people want to feel part of something though, and so being too 'balanced' in a take doesn't sometimes do you any favours and can become a thankless task in polarised times. I'd say that some do manage it though. The likes of Russell Brand perhaps, who is liberal minded but at the same time certainly not shy of pointing out significant faults in the establishment and politics and players of all stripes [Link] . Edited by BlueJay (02 Mar 2022 2.34pm) I think that's an excellent post. I think that while we all come down to positions on topics, it's also true that no position is perfect and criticisms of them should be accepted discourse in a free society worthy of the name. Brand, would obviously disagree with me in certain areas. However, I'm in that old school that respects honesty regardless of what side it's on. I regard Brand highly as both a truth seeker and someone committed to ethics. Use to teach his articles during pastoral mornings as excellent and amusing English usage.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 02 Mar 22 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by W12
Sums it up for me. So you think that the invasion of a sovereign country and the bombardment of civilian areas is not 'bad'. Threatening world peace is OK with you?
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| Stirlingsays 02 Mar 22 2.49pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
He won't stop. He will attack a NATO country eventually. It is Hitler mark II. Edited by georgenorman (02 Mar 2022 2.40pm) Well, if that happens we are all well and truly buggered. Your post did encourage me to briefly google to see if anyone actually had the name Mark Hitler.
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| georgenorman 02 Mar 22 2.52pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I think that's an excellent post. I think that while we all come down to positions on topics, it's also true that no position is perfect and criticisms of them should be accepted discourse in a free society worthy of the name. Brand, would obviously disagree with me in certain areas. However, I'm in that old school that respects honesty regardless of what side it's on. I regard Brand highly as both a truth seeker and someone committed to ethics. Use to teach his articles during pastoral mornings as excellent and amusing English usage. Russell Brand! Seriously?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 02 Mar 22 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Fascist? I hear this word used all the time now. The jump away from its original meaning is huge. Confronted? Confronted how? I don't mean to be picky but I'd quite like to see my sons grow up. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Mar 2022 2.28pm) In Putin's case the use of "fascist" is not that inaccurate. A short definition says:- "Fascism is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition". We would all like our children to grow up, but the west's response is hopefully a carefully calculated way of ensuring that actually happens. We must remove this man from power and rebuild the relationship with Russia on a collaborative, rather than confrontational basis. It's going to get very awkward for some years, and we really do need to stay together and keep cool.
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| Stirlingsays 02 Mar 22 2.59pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Russell Brand! Seriously? Yep, I'd say give him a few listens before judgement. Obviously on the left but not a supporter of the establishment. I haven't heard his take on the war though, I should imagine it's balanced and I'll get to it....mostly listened to Academic Agent on the war so far.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 02 Mar 22 3.02pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
He won't stop. He will attack a NATO country eventually. It is Hitler mark II. Edited by georgenorman (02 Mar 2022 2.40pm) We better hope that he has ambitions that involve living. We might be forced into a Red or dead situation. The other possibility is a European occupation by American troops and hardware. I doubt America would want to repeat the delays of WW2.
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