I will repeat, just in case you genuinely missed it. There are no conspiracy theories involved over Trump. That you seem to think that the allegations have been debunked says all that is really necessary. You might be willing to swallow that bs but those with even a modicum of objectivity don't. That he managed, assisted by Barr, to escape the direct consequences of his behaviour doesn't mean he wasn't complicit. It just means he hasn't been held accountable. Yet. The case isn't closed at all. It's been moved to other courts. The first being the court of public opinion where he lost comprehensively and managed to further damage himself in the process. There will be others. The upcoming financial cases being the next. He will get skewered. People like him always are eventually.

That you seem to think stating the obvious is dishonest says quite a lot when the obvious is all out there, on record and in plain view.

That you seem to be fixated on this illusion that the world is controlled by "elites" adds even more about the way your mind works. Of course there are many strata in our modern interconnected world, some of which possess more influence than others. That they are trying to, or even capable of, control is quite frankly risible. The notion is ridiculous. The most any could hope to do is influence events.

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An interesting read.

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You are, not for the first time, spectacularly missing the point. I wasn't attacking Watson at all. There is no need to do that. He condemns himself. So no ad hominem involved with Watson as he wasn't the subject.

All I was doing was drawing attention to where you look to find support for your views. That you have then spent time and effort defending Watson has provided some quite delicious support for my original assertions.

So you think I am a disgusting person! I know I would much prefer to be me than you. You must be really unhappy thinking the way you do. It's neither natural nor leading anywhere worthwhile. I could offer pages of analysis on why your views are wrong, but there's no point at all. You won't change, but fortunately there's not enough who think like you to be anything other than an irritating sideshow.

Once again, without realising it perhaps, you add fuel to the pyre you routinely build around yourself. You use another "new right" intended insult to your text with "blue anon". Where have "snowflake" and "woke" gone? Just out of fashion perhaps. All this does is demonstrate your lack of original thinking and reliance on self-opinionated prats. Like Watson.

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Sure, but the bit I was interested in was the general conclusion that Russian influence via spies, bots, hackers was certainly more than just a hobby strategy, but even with all that effort the end result has been overblown compared to the actions and lies of domestic politicians during the same timeframe...

“Important to be cautious here. None of this influence activity was strategically significant or effective. Russian activity in 2020 was less impressive than in 2016. And a hard look at the data shows that—highly likely—not even 2016 moved the needle.”

So in other words, both 'sides' of this debate are right in regards to Russian involvement in attempting to sabotage the US elections, and the fact that even with significant resources they had at best a very marginal impact.

As for collusion – of course there may well be bias depending who is at the top of the tree but the argument that it would be hard for Russia to be as involved as they were without some form of inside guidance isn't an easy one to simply dismiss.

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Entirely your right to consider me as a prat. At least though my opinions are my own and not cloned from dubious videos produced by conspiracy theorists who work for the biggest con merchant on the alt right.

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When it comes to the actual interference in elections I do think it happens. It would be naïve to believe that it doesn't when the outcome can have such short term impacts for competing opposed countries. However the nature and extent of the interference is another topic altogether.

Mere morals like us only exist on the observing the observers level. We have to base our opinions on probabilities rather than faith or at least I do.

In that regard the older I've got the more skeptical I've become on anything official. That doesn't mean I'm right of course, it just means I bite down on the gold coin before I accept it and I'm sure you're the same.

So I'd say I'm much more interested in what these institutions and governments actually do over than whether their justifications are real or not or somewhere in-between.

In that sense it all kind of becomes a lot easier, especially when you look at who Biden appoints as it was for Trump.

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