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 Maine Eagle  USA 24 Apr 19 2.08pm |
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Originally posted by CYPRUS GLAZIER
Totally agree Eddie Roy has a wealth of experience and knows how to bring out the best in the players he has got Absolutely correct, 100%. Half the time......... When we are away, we often see some of the best of our players. We don’t at home. Roy’s wealth of experience has presided over a very poor home record this year, with players massively underperforming.
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Goal Machine  The Cronx 24 Apr 19 2.30pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Absolutely correct, 100%. Half the time......... When we are away, we often see some of the best of our players. We don’t at home. Roy’s wealth of experience has presided over a very poor home record this year, with players massively underperforming. You do realise there is only so much Hodgson can do from the sidelines? - that is to pick the team, tactics, coach and motivate. It's not Roy's fault that strikers are missing good chances. Was it Roy who told Tompkins to slip against Brighton? The crucial match winning moments are down to the players, not Roy. We are 12th in the table, well organised, tight defensively, players look up for it, performances have been good (not results at home), we create chances. We're in a great place with Roy and long may it continue.
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| Buckspalace Thornborough 24 Apr 19 2.34pm |
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Well said goal machine be grateful we are where we are and quite conceivably get to 50 points.
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| spartakev2 Anerley 24 Apr 19 2.53pm |
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Originally posted by Buckspalace
Well said goal machine be grateful we are where we are and quite conceivably get to 50 points. FFS. I'm sick to death of hearing about charlton.....and be careful what you wish for...
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| Eaglecoops CR3 24 Apr 19 2.55pm |
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
You do realise there is only so much Hodgson can do from the sidelines? - that is to pick the team, tactics, coach and motivate. It's not Roy's fault that strikers are missing good chances. Was it Roy who told Tompkins to slip against Brighton? The crucial match winning moments are down to the players, not Roy. We are 12th in the table, well organised, tight defensively, players look up for it, performances have been good (not results at home), we create chances. We're in a great place with Roy and long may it continue. So, are our strikers and our defenders lucky away and unlucky at home? I ask this because unless a strategic set up, (which is the responsibility of the manager) is to blame for our results then I cannot think of another reason, can you?
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| Goal Machine The Cronx 24 Apr 19 3.19pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
So, are our strikers and our defenders lucky away and unlucky at home? I ask this because unless a strategic set up, (which is the responsibility of the manager) is to blame for our results then I cannot think of another reason, can you? No, of course not, nothing to do with luck. Away games suit our style better as we soak up pressure and can counter attack into the space. At home it's completely different as teams set up defensively, happy to take a draw and the onus is on us to break them down which is difficult, yet we still create the chances. The first goal is so crucial for Palace at home because if we get it, the opposition have to come out. We're then more likely to get the 2nd and go on to win. The strategic setup at home is correct, not taking chances/scoring first goal has been the problem. I would be interested to see some stats on our chance conversion home vs away. I am certain our home is far worse.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 24 Apr 19 3.33pm |
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
No, of course not, nothing to do with luck. Away games suit our style better as we soak up pressure and can counter attack into the space. At home it's completely different as teams set up defensively, happy to take a draw and the onus is on us to break them down which is difficult, yet we still create the chances. The first goal is so crucial for Palace at home because if we get it, the opposition have to come out. We're then more likely to get the 2nd and go on to win. The strategic setup at home is correct, not taking chances/scoring first goal has been the problem. I would be interested to see some stats on our chance conversion home vs away. I am certain our home is far worse. You could well be right on conversion rates. Look, I'm not trying to argue with this, because I would like a solution to our home form as much as everyone else on here, however if it is down to strategy that we are not performing then the manager has to take a good look at some of his tactical decisions. Maybe it is better with our set up to invite other teams to come onto us even at home. After all, Leicester won the league doing it.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 24 Apr 19 3.47pm |
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
You do realise there is only so much Hodgson can do from the sidelines? - that is to pick the team, tactics, coach and motivate. It's not Roy's fault that strikers are missing good chances. Was it Roy who told Tompkins to slip against Brighton? The crucial match winning moments are down to the players, not Roy. We are 12th in the table, well organised, tight defensively, players look up for it, performances have been good (not results at home), we create chances. We're in a great place with Roy and long may it continue. Hear hear !]
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| Goal Machine The Cronx 24 Apr 19 3.49pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
You could well be right on conversion rates. Look, I'm not trying to argue with this, because I would like a solution to our home form as much as everyone else on here, however if it is down to strategy that we are not performing then the manager has to take a good look at some of his tactical decisions. Maybe it is better with our set up to invite other teams to come onto us even at home. After all, Leicester won the league doing it. That could be a solution, but if a team comes to Selhurst looking for a draw, which they usually do, you'll end up with two teams sitting back, 0-0. That's when fans will really get frustrated. I think what we're doing is right, we just can't get the crucial first goal, the whole pattern of the game changes in our favour after that (we can then sit back and counter attack). I'm no master tactician, but the only other way I can think of is to keep the ball, play with width and find space/wait for a mistake when the opposition tire, although this is more of a top 6 tactic and I don't think we have that quality.
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Den1923  24 Apr 19 3.50pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Den, surely away form is down to exactly the same squad and if we can only counter attack then why don’t we do this at home as well? If teams want to sit back and defend against us and we can’t break them down, then all things considered we should have picked up a lot of bore draws, however we didn’t, we lost way too many games at home playing pretty awful stuff in a large percentage of those games. Eaglecoops, I do agree with your logic, except I think it is more down to the balance of our team, away from home we get more space because the way we play the breakaway, this suites us more as we do have fast forwards (Wilf & Andros), both of these players have good ball skills and they can score goals its our strikers that have let us down this season and when we are at home the game we play changes because teams drag us in to coming at them and whilst Wilf and Andross have less space to work with they still manage to put in a fair few good crosses each game but alas the so called strikers we have do not have the skills to attack the ball in the box or work defenders off the ball to create space and opportunities for others. I think Roy's tactics at home are limited because of the poor form of our sick note prone strikers in fairness to him. These strikers in the main are more SP choice than Roy's. Lets hope now that we are safe we can have a pro-active transfers market and get the teams balance right well in time for next season so that we can use the training period in the summer months to get the team to gel better, have a good summer!
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| dg1937 24 Apr 19 3.58pm |
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Wake me up when Maine Eagle posts a positive comment.
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| Goal Machine The Cronx 24 Apr 19 4.31pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
You could well be right on conversion rates. Look, I'm not trying to argue with this, because I would like a solution to our home form as much as everyone else on here, however if it is down to strategy that we are not performing then the manager has to take a good look at some of his tactical decisions. Maybe it is better with our set up to invite other teams to come onto us even at home. After all, Leicester won the league doing it. As sad as this is (nothing better to do this afternoon) , I’ve worked out the stats myself using the BBC match stats for the season. This is of course not entirely accurate on ‘missed chances’ as I have simply used the ‘shots’ statistics. This gives no indication towards how good the chances actually were. It’s the best I can do, but I feel it’s a fair representation to support my argument. Home: 17 games, 269 shots, 14 goals. Away: 18 games, 185 shots, 29 goals. The above includes the following highlights: We’ve had 50% more shots per game at home than we do away, yet we have scored double the away goals. The conversion rate away is 3x better than it is at home. My point is, we are creating chances at home which means Roy’s home tactics are working. Roy can’t be held responsible for sticking the ball in the net himself, the players have to do that.
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