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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 12 Apr 13 12.56pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Quote kennybrowns leftfoot at 12 Apr 2013 12.54pm

Just had my rest days cancelled for tomorrow and Sunday, both on overtime......... Is it wrong to profit from someones death??


She would be proud.

 


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Quote kennybrowns leftfoot at 12 Apr 2013 12.54pm

Just had my rest days cancelled for tomorrow and Sunday, both on overtime......... Is it wrong to profit from someones death??


She would be proud.


 

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Quote Kermit8 at 12 Apr 2013 12.56pm

Quote kennybrowns leftfoot at 12 Apr 2013 12.54pm

Just had my rest days cancelled for tomorrow and Sunday, both on overtime......... Is it wrong to profit from someones death??


She would be proud.

To true Kerm... Couple of the older lads here who were part of the miners strikes were saying along the lines of 'she earnt us a fortune when she was in power and still earning us money now she's dead gawd bless her'.....

 


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Quote kennybrowns leftfoot at 12 Apr 2013 1.03pm

Quote Kermit8 at 12 Apr 2013 12.56pm

Quote kennybrowns leftfoot at 12 Apr 2013 12.54pm

Just had my rest days cancelled for tomorrow and Sunday, both on overtime......... Is it wrong to profit from someones death??


She would be proud.

To true Kerm... Couple of the older lads here who were part of the miners strikes were saying along the lines of 'she earnt us a fortune when she was in power and still earning us money now she's dead gawd bless her'.....


Ha ha. So true

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Apr 13 1.08pm

Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Apr 2013 12.39pm

Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 11.29am

Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Apr 2013 10.55am


Things like container homes, Prefabs, Canal Boats, Static Caravan Homes are all affordable options for everyone not just people on lower incomes.

What about camp sites set up out of town, with rows of huts which people could share. Plus, if they all lived in the same place, it would mean a more efficient distribution of welfare payments. You could have roll call every morning where you could hand out rations, er, I mean benefits and assign workfare tasks in exchange for the shelter provided.

see offer a final solution to the housing crisis and you pretty much get called Hitler, mein dont you come up with some ideas then?

The spanish, greeks, turks, dig out mountains to build homes, its only really this country that w***s over bricks and mortar.

Just to humour you though look at these images
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Canal Boat
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Container Home
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I dont need to post pics of Static caravan homes as im sure you've all seen them.

The thing is we have x amount of people needing affordable housing, we have more people coming into the country who will also need affordable housing and we are simply no way near having enough homes to cover the demand, this is a problem that is going to get a whole lot worse.

All the types of homes ive listed can be built plumbed, connected to the mains, furnished and habitable within hours to a couple of days for a fraction of the cost & time to built a brick built home.

Hardly Auschwitz...

Edited by Ouzo Dan (12 Apr 2013 12.41pm)

I'm not sure the country needs more affordable housing per se, but maybe what it needs is accomodation that isn't sold off. The problem with affordable housing isn't going to be resolved if the affordable housing is sold, because it then has to increase in value in order to allow people to move upwards on the property ladder.

A better solution might be to provide property that is rented out aimed at low wage employed, that would act to stabalise the low end rental markets. Around my way, renting a one bedroom flat will cost you 750 quid a month, without bills, but there are always properties available. Even in a shared house, you'll be paying at least 300 a month.

These costs by far make up the councils budgets in terms of welfare, as whilst benefits might run to 200 per adult, housing benefit alone for the month will be at least 300 a month, per adult.

And thats before you get to families (a two bedroom house will be 1200 a month - Which in welfare cases means the housing benefit goes straight to a private landlord from the state).

Removing the low end rental market would also likely end up increasing the number of properties available to sell, as thus reducing the price.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 12 Apr 13 1.09pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

The rise iin single person households is a massive factor too.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 12 Apr 13 1.22pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

For all the problems with Thatcherism....And I've waffled on enough about them. What the country most definitely didn't want was the kind of alternative being offered at the time.

It must be continuously pointed out that the country only had two options. The left had been given their chance, the unions had picked them apart. Thatcher was a radical with blunt medicine maybe but her rise was of their own making.

Sure most of us would have preferred Thatcherism with the edges knocked off, maybe in some areas we needed a Howe or Heseltine.

Still, they both were strong EU supporters....Which she was in the beginning....That wasn't a terrible idea back then when the EU could have gone in a different direction. But she learned from experience and could smell the plans and the disaster brewing. She was convinced into signing us up for ultimately damaging democratic agreements such as the Maastricht treaty, which she regretted.

Still, my one abiding memory of her was her 'No, No, No'.....Which contributed to her downfall but was magnificent.

She wasn't perfect but she was the best we've had for ages.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Apr 2013 1.34pm)

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Apr 13 1.28pm

The options workable options were a swing towards the strong right, or far left. Whoever it was would have struggled in the first term, and Thatcher really did struggle early doors.

The victory in the falklands coupled with the SDLP probably played major roles in her re-election (Conservative percentage dropped at re-election, but then labour lost considerable support to the SDLP).

 


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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 12 Apr 13 1.38pm Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 1.08pm

Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Apr 2013 12.39pm

Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 11.29am

Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Apr 2013 10.55am


Things like container homes, Prefabs, Canal Boats, Static Caravan Homes are all affordable options for everyone not just people on lower incomes.

What about camp sites set up out of town, with rows of huts which people could share. Plus, if they all lived in the same place, it would mean a more efficient distribution of welfare payments. You could have roll call every morning where you could hand out rations, er, I mean benefits and assign workfare tasks in exchange for the shelter provided.

see offer a final solution to the housing crisis and you pretty much get called Hitler, mein dont you come up with some ideas then?

The spanish, greeks, turks, dig out mountains to build homes, its only really this country that w***s over bricks and mortar.

Just to humour you though look at these images
Prefab
[Link]

Canal Boat
[Link]

Container Home
[Link]

I dont need to post pics of Static caravan homes as im sure you've all seen them.

The thing is we have x amount of people needing affordable housing, we have more people coming into the country who will also need affordable housing and we are simply no way near having enough homes to cover the demand, this is a problem that is going to get a whole lot worse.

All the types of homes ive listed can be built plumbed, connected to the mains, furnished and habitable within hours to a couple of days for a fraction of the cost & time to built a brick built home.

Hardly Auschwitz...

Edited by Ouzo Dan (12 Apr 2013 12.41pm)

I'm not sure the country needs more affordable housing per se, but maybe what it needs is accomodation that isn't sold off. The problem with affordable housing isn't going to be resolved if the affordable housing is sold, because it then has to increase in value in order to allow people to move upwards on the property ladder.

A better solution might be to provide property that is rented out aimed at low wage employed, that would act to stabalise the low end rental markets. Around my way, renting a one bedroom flat will cost you 750 quid a month, without bills, but there are always properties available. Even in a shared house, you'll be paying at least 300 a month.

These costs by far make up the councils budgets in terms of welfare, as whilst benefits might run to 200 per adult, housing benefit alone for the month will be at least 300 a month, per adult.

And thats before you get to families (a two bedroom house will be 1200 a month - Which in welfare cases means the housing benefit goes straight to a private landlord from the state).

Removing the low end rental market would also likely end up increasing the number of properties available to sell, as thus reducing the price.


I agree with you, the majority of the homes I listed I would rent out at a low fixed amount, some I would sell.

The country had to act fast after WW2 building Prefab homes to replenish all the buildings that were destroyed and also to respond to a baby boom that was needed so there was an eye on the next generation that was to come through.
I see the current crisis similar to this in a lot of ways, obviously we havent been bombed by the luftwaffe for a while but we need more housing, we need it now & we need it to be cost effective, the types of homes I suggest ticks those boxes.

It may not be everyones cup of tea but the alternative is to blunder on with rubbish part buy part rent schemes, no where near enough homes built for the demand & landlords taking the piss on the rental market, which seems to be the case with successive governments.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 12 Apr 13 1.51pm

I was amazed at how nice canal boats are. My friend lives and runs his business from a canal boat, and its really really nice. I'd definately consider a mobile home or Pre-Fab house. I wouldn't want to necessarily own either.

That said, the problem with mobile homes is always going to be the neighbours. My uncle lived on a mobile home park with his alcoholism, six kids, and wife, I can't imagine a worse situation than having to have lived within 100 yards of them.

Indeed if I could have a mobile home I think I'd prefer it to my flat. Problem is, all the mobile homes near me are in hellish areas.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 12 Apr 13 2.01pm Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Quote nickgusset at 12 Apr 2013 10.47am

Quote matt_himself at 12 Apr 2013 10.30am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 10.11am

So... what have we actually established so far?

1. Selling off council houses was the most controversial Thatcherite policy

2. the Left are still a bunch of intransigent, head-in-the-sand, dogmatic nutters who should never be allowed near government

3. Teachers' pensions are gold-plated

Anything else?

Edited by Johnny Eagles (12 Apr 2013 10.14am)


4. Both Nick and Jamie 'talk the talk' but don't 'walk the walk' when it comes to marrying lifestyle to ideals.


Just out of interest, what sort of lifestyle should I have?


It is an observation that you are incredibly anti-establishment yet apparantly happy to take the leg up's the establishment offer you and also conform to the stablishment, suburban idyll.

 


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Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 10.46am

Quote matt_himself at 12 Apr 2013 10.30am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 10.11am

So... what have we actually established so far?

1. Selling off council houses was the most controversial Thatcherite policy

2. the Left are still a bunch of intransigent, head-in-the-sand, dogmatic nutters who should never be allowed near government

3. Teachers' pensions are gold-plated

Anything else?

Edited by Johnny Eagles (12 Apr 2013 10.14am)


4. Both Nick and Jamie 'talk the talk' but don't 'walk the walk' when it comes to marrying lifestyle to ideals.

Don't always walk the walk. I on occassion have sacrificed ethics, I would say that makes me just like anyone else. Its impossible not to, as by working I'll always be supporting a corrupt and capitalist system.

Also I'm pragmatic enough to realise that simple answers to complex problems are not enough. I'm not one of those dogmatic left wingers who simply parrot the party line.

Actually I'm not very left wing as a rule, left of center, but right down the anti-authoritarian spine of the graph.



i.e., you are happy to rail against the system yet embrace it's priviledges.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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