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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 18 Oct 17 4.45pm

Originally posted by npn

Can you identify who these fascists are that need stopping? Is it anyone opposed to immigration? Anyone on the right side of politics? Or just anyone Antifa (or whoever - I'd never heard of them until this thread) deems to be a bad egg?

I liken this (a bit, at least) to the NUT no-platforming Peter Tatchell (if there's ever been a more ardent advocate of gay rights I'd like to see it) as he said something they didn't agree with.

It's mainly people belonging to far right groups.

Antifa have been going for years. Have a look at the Berkeley and national anthem threads.

 

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elgrande Flag bedford 18 Oct 17 6.00pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

I have no doubt there are some f***ing idiot far right groups.
But gusset and others on here seem to think its a massive massive problem.
We have had ( supposed ) far right parties in austria.
Ut do you have to be to quote" a fascist,rascist or any other ist" to be concerned about the levels of immigration coming into your countries.
Thats the problem here,and to speak up about it you are immediately tarred with the same brush as ultra right wing groups.

 


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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 18 Oct 17 6.07pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

Good,why should we have to accept what that w***er junker says.
If your lot were in, they would have just bent over and pulled their strides down.

Lol. Even with no deal this bill needs to pass. Otherwise there are no laws governing huge amounts of daily life. You wouldn't be able to buy food without this bill. This has nothing to do with the negotiation other than being used as a pawn in the government's own infighting. It makes us look chaotic and weak.

 

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elgrande Flag bedford 18 Oct 17 6.16pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Lol. Even with no deal this bill needs to pass. Otherwise there are no laws governing huge amounts of daily life. You wouldn't be able to buy food without this bill. This has nothing to do with the negotiation other than being used as a pawn in the government's own infighting. It makes us look chaotic and weak.

Actually i agree with you on this,they must be pissing themselves.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Oct 17 6.17pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

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Remain may have spent more an appropriate and disclosed manner.

Leave's spending was extremely shadowy.

This article discusses just some of the subversion of the "marketplace of ideas".


Ideologies are more than just an "idea".

'Remain' had an advantage on the amount spent so this question of national interest was never actually treated appropriately.

'Remain' were the only side who managed to get a leaflet through my door.....from the bloody government themselves....warning me of disasters straight away if I voted leave. Remain were and are just as big a load of liars as anyone else.

I read the article.....sorry for the delay. It does open up several valid questions about media manipulation that is definitely something to look at. Media giants today are looking....first to restrict expression and opinion....under pressure from governments....and then to place as preference the views and opinions on things that governments...or themselves...ie silcon valley want....or indeed what some paymaster like leave or whoever want....I agree...I don't like manipulation for political purposes.

That is something everyone should be concerned about. There should be a fairness.....but were you concerned about the unfairness given to the leave side? The government was biased on this question and didn't allow access to them....taxpayer money was used to fund the 'remain' side and not the 'leave'.

Now, the article you linked to is under legal complaint but.....while my vote on Brexit was formed about ten to fifteen years ago it's definitely true.....and this is where we agree....that objectivity on social media is a problem.

How we fairly proceed in doing something about that is a different debate.


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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 18 Oct 17 7.44pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

They do have an agenda. Stop fascism. The fascists agenda, well that needs stopping.

Unless you agree with the fascist agenda.

So throwing objects and a few punches as fascists really works, right? It's not up to Antifa to police fascists. What sort of society do you want? Gangs attacking people in the street because they don't like what they say or what they look like?

If you condone that Nick, you really are a knuckle dragger.

And who are the fascists? Antifa shutting down Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro's talks on campus. They are not fascists.

Using violence to shut down opinion is fascism. So Antifa are the fascists, do you not get the irony?!!

And if you think political violence is OK, then you agree with far right political violence too. Unbelievable.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Oct 17 7.47pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

So throwing objects and a few punches as fascists really works, right? It's not up to Antifa to police fascists. What sort of society do you want? Gangs attacking people in the street because they don't like what they say or what they look like?

If you condone that Nick, you really are a knuckle dragger.

And who are the fascists? Antifa shutting down Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro's talks on campus. They are not fascists.

Using violence to shut down opinion is fascism. So Antifa are the fascists, do you not get the irony?!!

And if you think political violence is OK, then you agree with far right political violence too. Unbelievable.

Seconded.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 18 Oct 17 8.16pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

French Resistance attacking the French State by targetng those who were part of the French (Vichy) Government.

Political violence, innit.

SAS shooting IRA suspects. More political violence.

I have a funny feeling that one or two who have strongly disavowed all forms of political violence might be snookered now.

Unless, of course, they are brave enough to condemn the above too.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 18 Oct 17 8.19pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

So throwing objects and a few punches as fascists really works, right? It's not up to Antifa to police fascists. What sort of society do you want? Gangs attacking people in the street because they don't like what they say or what they look like?

If you condone that Nick, you really are a knuckle dragger.

And who are the fascists? Antifa shutting down Ann Coulter and Ben Shapiro's talks on campus. They are not fascists.

Using violence to shut down opinion is fascism. So Antifa are the fascists, do you not get the irony?!!

And if you think political violence is OK, then you agree with far right political violence too. Unbelievable.

I agree with far right political violence? That's a bit of a leap.

If a bunch of kknuckle draggers want to walk through a town, people are more than within their rights to come out and tell them to sling their hook. People who do that are antifa in my book.

Any evidence of antifa starting trouble?

As for shutting down free speech, Milo himself has admitted he's a troll. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if he was actually Matt Himself. He's just using the platform for attention seeking imho. And it's costing a lot of money.

How would you propose to rid the states of white supremacist groups? If they marched down your street would you not be miffed?

I don't condone violence for violence sake, but if trouble breaks out...

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Oct 17 8.24pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

French Resistance attacking the French State by targetng those who were part of the French (Vichy) Government.

Political violence, innit.

SAS shooting IRA suspects. More political violence.

I have a funny feeling that one or two who have strongly disavowed all forms of political violence might be snookered now.

Unless, of course, they are brave enough to condemn the above too.

The first were actions in a world war backed by the allies. The Vichy government had no democratic validity and was there to carry out Nazi administration.

The second was violence by the state to stop those planning to murder people.

As usual Kermit, your comparisons suffer from crowbar noises.

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 18 Oct 17 8.32pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The first were actions in a world war backed by the allies. The Vichy government had no democratic validity and was there to carry out Nazi administration.

The second was violence by the state to stop those planning to murder people.

As usual Kermit, your comparisons suffer from crowbar noises.


Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Oct 2017 8.25pm)

Ok, let's have less crowbar-ing. Oliver Cromwell - traitor or not?

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Oct 17 8.37pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Ok, let's have less crowbar-ing. Oliver Cromwell - traitor or not?

The reduction in power of kings was an inevitable consequence of the enlightenment......So...not a traitor in result....but wrong to behead and what he did in Ireland was terrible...completely undefendable.

 


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