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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 04 Jan 21 8.39pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

But International travel still allowed, hurrah

You don't have to travel if you don't need to. Simple. If you're vulnerable, then shield. You would be one per cent of the population. Do what you need to do. It really is that simple. Shield the vulnerable. If they don't shield, that's their problem.

 


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davenotamonkey Flag 04 Jan 21 8.54pm Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

I raised this point with WE re the economic damage and his tone deaf stance on the impact that lockdowns caused some months ago and he was good enough to concede that his messaging was insensitive to the millions who have lost their jobs, livelihoods, had their mental heath impacted and the hundreds of thousands of people who have had their NHS appointments cancelled.

If I were the landlord of multiple properties, retired down in the SW, I'd probably be somewhat indefferent to the plight of them nasty Brexit-supportin' working class ignorants as well. OK, I wouldn't, but I can see where the tone deafness comes from.

The economy is now nuked. You can't on one hand say "21 days to save the NHS - LEVEL 5!!! Time is critical!!" but on the other say: "oh cool, the Oxford vaccine just got approved - let's wait until the 4th to start using it".

Every day counts in the vaccine roll-out? Why weren't there needles in arms on the very day it was approved? They've been producing well in advance of approval, and we should have had an intensive rollout ready THE VERY SAME DAY.

I can guarantee that's what Israel would be doing in our position, and it shows: 14% of the population vaccinated.

 

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jeeagles Flag 04 Jan 21 9.01pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

If I were the landlord of multiple properties, retired down in the SW, I'd probably be somewhat indefferent to the plight of them nasty Brexit-supportin' working class ignorants as well. OK, I wouldn't, but I can see where the tone deafness comes from.

The economy is now nuked. You can't on one hand say "21 days to save the NHS - LEVEL 5!!! Time is critical!!" but on the other say: "oh cool, the Oxford vaccine just got approved - let's wait until the 4th to start using it".

Every day counts in the vaccine roll-out? Why weren't there needles in arms on the very day it was approved? They've been producing well in advance of approval, and we should have had an intensive rollout ready THE VERY SAME DAY.

I can guarantee that's what Israel would be doing in our position, and it shows: 14% of the population vaccinated.

Brexit has been s*** for landlords. Slow housing growth and reduced demand for the rental sector. Less cheap cleaners, labours, plumbers etc top.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 04 Jan 21 9.31pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Hearing more self employed fathers breaking down on the radio in recent days. Job and livelihoods gone. House going. Marriage in trouble. Young families torn apart.

Really! Maybe some shouldnt have cooked their books then.
If their tax returns were legit without dividends,loopholes,off shore and not declaring cash then they could claim their allowance. The self employed who work for someone who takes their tax arnt crying as their books are ok so they get the allowance. How come one man bands arnt able to claim in the same way?

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Jan 21 11.26pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

To suggest that we will recover from the economic hit just shows that you are economically illiterate.

You haven't a clue what you are talking about...You have no idea how much debt we are in now do you?....seriously it probably amounts to the dimmest thing you have said on here.

'Less holidays' indeed.....Jesus!

All that can be done is to continually print money and continually increase the debt and the interest on it, stealing money from the next generation....only rampant inflation can start to pay it off...and that's going to feck the middle and working class even more than mid wit lockdowns.

Unless a worldwide debt jubilee is set up....and that would feck all the oldies living off pensions.


Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jan 2021 3.04pm)

Of course we will recover. We will because we have no other choice. It will take a long time but we recovered from WW2. Those of us who have must expect to be taxed more heavily so that those who haven't are protected. Most of us can manage quite well enough with a lot less disposable income if we need to.

Just as we have no other choice available to us other than run up this debt.

When faced with two completely unacceptable choices a decision still needs to be made.

If you seriously still believe we have made the wrong choice then not only are you on the extreme tip of a very long limb I think you need your head examined.

Allowing the virus to just run unencumbered in the general population whilst locking away the elderly and known to be vulnerable from any kind of contact was never going to be an acceptable way of handling this. With so many unknowns all the way until now it was always just too big a risk. With the emergence of "long covid" and now the faster spreading mutation that caution can be seen as wise.

We have to follow the course we have taken until the bulk of the population gets vaccinated. Every serious expert everywhere believes so.

I note you failed to answer my question about refusing NHS treatment if you were unfortunate enough to need it as a consequence of a C19 infection. Would you just shrug it off as a "bit of flu"?

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Jan 21 11.35pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

Brexit has been s*** for landlords. Slow housing growth and reduced demand for the rental sector. Less cheap cleaners, labours, plumbers etc top.

My flats are full. When the estate agents shut their doors I turned my units over to the council who took full responsibility for them as they were desperately needed. I set the rents lower for this period.

I have an ex-prisoner in one, out on licence after a spell in a hostel. He served 14 years for murder.

In fact, the demand here has been very strong. Single people and couples without ties, who are being asked to work from home have been escaping the cities and the high rents and relocating to Cornwall. At least temporarily. Who knows what will follow.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 05 Jan 21 12.17am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Really! Maybe some shouldnt have cooked their books then.
If their tax returns were legit without dividends,loopholes,off shore and not declaring cash then they could claim their allowance. The self employed who work for someone who takes their tax arnt crying as their books are ok so they get the allowance. How come one man bands arnt able to claim in the same way?

Ha. Harsh. But speaking as a consultant, probably fair in quite a lot of cases (but not every case!)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

To suggest that we will recover from the economic hit just shows that you are economically illiterate.

You haven't a clue what you are talking about...You have no idea how much debt we are in now do you?....seriously it probably amounts to the dimmest thing you have said on here.

'Less holidays' indeed.....Jesus!

All that can be done is to continually print money and continually increase the debt and the interest on it, stealing money from the next generation....only rampant inflation can start to pay it off...and that's going to feck the middle and working class even more than mid wit lockdowns.

Unless a worldwide debt jubilee is set up....and that would feck all the oldies living off pensions.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jan 2021 3.04pm)

In fairness, western debt became an irreversible problem a long time ago. This new pile on is just a drop in the ocean.

But, just like they print money, they’ll find a way to cook it all. Otherwise the alternative is Armageddon. And they won’t let that happen.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Jan 21 12.28am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

In fairness, western debt became an irreversible problem a long time ago. This new pile on is just a drop in the ocean.

But, just like they print money, they’ll find a way to cook it all. Otherwise the alternative is Armageddon. And they won’t let that happen.

I'm afraid you have much more faith than I do.

Creditors aren't going to be fooled and surely if they were going to use versions of debt jubilees they would have been used long ago.

So that leaves inflation.

But that's going to be kicked down the road until it is forced.

As I said in a different thread, irresponsible and immoral.


Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jan 2021 12.33am)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm afraid you have much more faith than I do.

Creditors aren't going to be fooled and surely if they were going to use versions of debt jubilees they would have been used long ago.

So that leaves inflation.

But that's going to be kicked down the road until it is forced.

As I said in a different thread, irresponsible and immoral.


Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jan 2021 12.33am)

Perhaps

Corporate debt is probably a bigger issue than government debt though.

Technically under the MMT model government debt is infinite

Firstly because they can simply print more forevermore, although not an ideal scenario. Secondly government debt is theoretically sustainable indefinitely if the interest rate doesn’t creep any higher than the growth rate of nominal gross domestic product.

I mean, obviously the debt clock is pretty ridiculous, and there are optical limits to how free flowing your spending should be. But ultimately there will always be a way out. Some of that is also a good reason why austerity was really a political rather than logical exercise. Again, technically, govt borrowing and debt is not finite under MMT. But politically it is, for sure.

Corporate debt tho...

 


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Back on topic - the cancellation of all urgent cancer surgery for at least a week because of a surge in Covid patients at Kings College hospital is not good news. Hopefully not the first domino...

For anyone complaining or worse, thinking all this is overblown or even fake, this is the main reason we’re all being treated like babies. Because as a whole we’re clearly behaviourally no better. Capacity not deaths, is the real issue. And we’re collectively f***ing it for ourselves.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Jan 21 1.00am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Perhaps

Corporate debt is probably a bigger issue than government debt though.

Technically under the MMT model government debt is infinite

Firstly because they can simply print more forevermore, although not an ideal scenario. Secondly government debt is theoretically sustainable indefinitely if the interest rate doesn’t creep any higher than the growth rate of nominal gross domestic product.

I mean, obviously the debt clock is pretty ridiculous, and there are optical limits to how free flowing your spending should be. But ultimately there will always be a way out. Some of that is also a good reason why austerity was really a political rather than logical exercise. Again, technically, govt borrowing and debt is not finite under MMT. But politically it is, for sure.

Corporate debt tho...

As I say you have faith.

As for me, I see a can kicked down the road...until the can overtakes road construction....then it's very ugly.

Rock a-bye, baby,
On the tree top,
When the wind blows,
The cradle will rock.
When the bow breaks,
The baby will fall,
Down will come baby,
Cradle and all.

As for governmental debt...you can't bet a house on a steady interest rate, especially in a globally interdependent world.

Let's just say that the elites of the last fifty years just haven't given a feck.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jan 2021 1.14am)

 


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