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Goal Machine The Cronx 17 Apr 23 9.43am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
With respect I don't view his record at Brighton in that category.When he was at the helm they finished 15th and 16th in his first two seasons, finishing below us.Last season they finished 9th. As Slimey Toad says, the first couple of seasons they would have been considered relegation favourites, so finishing 15th was a good season for them at the time. He has gradually turned them into a top half Premier League side and whilst De Zerbi is doing fantastically well, he's started from a the solid platform built by Potter. The uproar from the Weed fans and the fact he was appointed by Chelsea to replace Tuchel at Chelsea shows how well he's regarded.
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fish mitten Chelmsford 17 Apr 23 9.52am | |
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Don't see Potter coming to us. Even not allowing for the Palace/Brighton rivalry, I think he will still attract interest from clubs deemed bigger than Palace. West Ham, Leicester (should they stay up), even Everton should they dispense with Dyche. He has enough money he doesn't have to make a rushed decision. How many vacancies will become available between now and Christmas, probably quite a few. I think we will play it safe and offer Roy a one year contract.
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PJEagle London 17 Apr 23 10.28am | |
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Originally posted by fish mitten
Don't see Potter coming to us. Even not allowing for the Palace/Brighton rivalry, I think he will still attract interest from clubs deemed bigger than Palace. West Ham, Leicester (should they stay up), even Everton should they dispense with Dyche. He has enough money he doesn't have to make a rushed decision. How many vacancies will become available between now and Christmas, probably quite a few. I think we will play it safe and offer Roy a one year contract. I actually think giving Roy a one year extension is our best option
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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 17 Apr 23 10.36am | |
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I'd rather have Beatrix Potter than the Graham version. Living down here in Hove I know a few Brighton fans and despite the initial brouhaha when he left for Chelsea the common opinion was that his teams were boring to watch. So boring, in fact, that some of the crowd fell asleep and forgot to leave on 80 minutes. Potter said that he'd walk along the Prom "in disguise" while he was manager down here. Can't imagine what he'd have to dress up as if he joined us.
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Eaglecoops CR3 17 Apr 23 12.33pm | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
The rumour about Cooper coming is not good. I agree. I’m not a Potter fan, but having watched a bit of Forest the last few weeks, I definitely do not want Cooper if that’s how he organises his midfield. You could have driven a truck through it yesterday and the only reason Utd didn’t score more was their own inability to finish. The perfect manager for Palace is a blend between Pardew and Hodgson. Whether such a blend of free flowing attacking and tight defending is able to work in reality though I’m not so sure.
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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 17 Apr 23 12.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
I agree. I’m not a Potter fan, but having watched a bit of Forest the last few weeks, I definitely do not want Cooper if that’s how he organises his midfield. You could have driven a truck through it yesterday and the only reason Utd didn’t score more was their own inability to finish. The perfect manager for Palace is a blend between Pardew and Hodgson. Whether such a blend of free flowing attacking and tight defending is able to work in reality though I’m not so sure. Agree with whole post however the highlighted is the crux of the matter for me. I do wonder as to whether this is such a binary choice though? It does seem as though in an attempt to move away from any Pulis/Allardyce/Hodgson, backs against the wall, scrapping for our lives existence we have gone for the 'wacky ideas' manager option in the likes of FdB and Vieira which, with such a swinging of the pendulum, have ended terribly. Is it so hard to find somebody that can manage a team where the defence does it's job in defending, the attack does it's job in attacking and the midfield supplements both elements? I think a lot of it comes down to the actual recruitment, formation and balance within the squad. Ironically now I think we are seeing the truth exposed about Hodgson in that he was keeping an underfunded and somewhat weak squad afloat in the PL however with better tools at his disposal can actually offer that I've articulated. His pragmatism in that situation, probably combined with his England stint, may have painted an incorrect image. 3 games very little by way of evidence however I am open to the possibility. Were he not 75 I'd be excited for the future as I am for remaining games this season. I have a working theory that our managerial appointments have been made either from desperation to stay in the PL or idealistic and poorly crafted ambition. An objective analysis with appropriate insight should yield the appointment of somebody in the middle of that road for where we are as a club. Just my thoughts on the matter which in themselves are very unqualified I do recognise that.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 17 Apr 23 12.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
I agree. I’m not a Potter fan, but having watched a bit of Forest the last few weeks, I definitely do not want Cooper if that’s how he organises his midfield. You could have driven a truck through it yesterday and the only reason Utd didn’t score more was their own inability to finish. The perfect manager for Palace is a blend between Pardew and Hodgson. Whether such a blend of free flowing attacking and tight defending is able to work in reality though I’m not so sure. In fairness to Cooper, when he took over Forest were bottom of the Championship. I also doubt he wanted 20 new players. Someone to equate to Cooper, albeit older, would be Warnock or Pulis.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Apr 23 1.06pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
In fairness to Cooper, when he took over Forest were bottom of the Championship. I also doubt he wanted 20 new players. Someone to equate to Cooper, albeit older, would be Warnock or Pulis. When he took over the reins they were second from bottom after 8 league games, they finished in 4th place and were promoted via the play-offs.The previous season they finished in 17th place so Cooper deserves plaudits for the improvement at the club.
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Eaglecoops CR3 17 Apr 23 1.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
Agree with whole post however the highlighted is the crux of the matter for me. I do wonder as to whether this is such a binary choice though? It does seem as though in an attempt to move away from any Pulis/Allardyce/Hodgson, backs against the wall, scrapping for our lives existence we have gone for the 'wacky ideas' manager option in the likes of FdB and Vieira which, with such a swinging of the pendulum, have ended terribly. Is it so hard to find somebody that can manage a team where the defence does it's job in defending, the attack does it's job in attacking and the midfield supplements both elements? I think a lot of it comes down to the actual recruitment, formation and balance within the squad. Ironically now I think we are seeing the truth exposed about Hodgson in that he was keeping an underfunded and somewhat weak squad afloat in the PL however with better tools at his disposal can actually offer that I've articulated. His pragmatism in that situation, probably combined with his England stint, may have painted an incorrect image. 3 games very little by way of evidence however I am open to the possibility. Were he not 75 I'd be excited for the future as I am for remaining games this season. I have a working theory that our managerial appointments have been made either from desperation to stay in the PL or idealistic and poorly crafted ambition. An objective analysis with appropriate insight should yield the appointment of somebody in the middle of that road for where we are as a club. Just my thoughts on the matter which in themselves are very unqualified I do recognise that. Decent post that. I’m keeping my powder dry on Roy’s resurrection until we come up against a stronger team but I’ll admit that I have been encouraged by his willingness to select the more talented players and not just load the midfield with combative players. It certainly smacks of his first season in charge last time out rather than the last two years. As regards a replacement I like Hassenhutl as did many of the Southampton fans who still reckon he shouldn’t have been sacked. I also don’t see Vieira’s time with us as entirely disastrous. Roy mentioned in an interview that he thought the players who he knew from before had improved and he found the squad easy to work with.
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Eaglecoops CR3 17 Apr 23 1.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
When he took over the reins they were second from bottom after 8 league games, they finished in 4th place and were promoted via the play-offs.The previous season they finished in 17th place so Cooper deserves plaudits for the improvement at the club. As with all managers I tend to concentrate on what I see now rather than past achievements and based on some of their recent performances, I wouldn’t want him as our manager. In my opinion the metal of a manager is how they perform when things are going wrong. I think that if Forest stay up it will only be because Cooper manages to implement a plan B that works, or there are three worse teams. He’s certainly got enough players to choose from to make a different plan work.
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SnapperKain SE25 6PU 17 Apr 23 3.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Decent post that. I’m keeping my powder dry on Roy’s resurrection until we come up against a stronger team but I’ll admit that I have been encouraged by his willingness to select the more talented players and not just load the midfield with combative players. It certainly smacks of his first season in charge last time out rather than the last two years. As regards a replacement I like Hassenhutl as did many of the Southampton fans who still reckon he shouldn’t have been sacked. I also don’t see Vieira’s time with us as entirely disastrous. Roy mentioned in an interview that he thought the players who he knew from before had improved and he found the squad easy to work with. I think Hassenhutl would be a decent manager to get in, but maybe we could have Roy and Ray in the background as directors of coaching (or some other made up job title) to be around as a sounding board for a new manager. Might not appeal to everyone, but you'd think it would be useful having their experience available to call on. (and a ready replacement if we sack the manager ) Edited by SnapperKain (17 Apr 2023 3.40pm)
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Davepalace707 Northumberland 17 Apr 23 5.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Decent post that. I’m keeping my powder dry on Roy’s resurrection until we come up against a stronger team but I’ll admit that I have been encouraged by his willingness to select the more talented players and not just load the midfield with combative players. It certainly smacks of his first season in charge last time out rather than the last two years. As regards a replacement I like Hassenhutl as did many of the Southampton fans who still reckon he shouldn’t have been sacked. I also don’t see Vieira’s time with us as entirely disastrous. Roy mentioned in an interview that he thought the players who he knew from before had improved and he found the squad easy to work with. Agree - but not sure we will play a strong team again this season. Maybe Spurs away but against Bournemouth they were awful. Fulham maybe.
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