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Stirlingsays Flag 15 May 22 7.13pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I have worked far more in the CEE than the middle east and I look at the Russian invasion from that perspective

I know that the Ukrainians have only recently become saints.

I also know that in both Donbas and Transnistria the Russians have been pretty blatant about not just influencing the minority group of separatists, but also bringing in people to bolster them.

So, how much would you have given back at the time? How would you have ensured it wasn't used on equipping people to attack ourselves or our allies?

The time has been ripe for many years to resolve this issue. It is a shame that a part of being forced into addressing it was the multiple cases of what can only be described as kidnapping.

I see you blame someone who went into the country to visit immediate relatives. That is your prerogative

In my opinion the Government has serially not only failed to address the issue properly but, in pottering around to keep it in the long grass, made a series of crass school child errors.

I recognise the problem with giving opponent regimes their money back has consequences that hurt us....though in the scheme of things it's often pin money in relation to their budgets.

However, stealing it also has consequences down the line as well, often worse. I think always looking towards being as fair as possible is more important than short term gain and possibly Iran wouldn't be so anti western if more fairness had been our watch word.

I note that you make reasonable arguments on all these difficult issues but I think that's where I fall.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 May 2022 7.14pm)

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 16 May 22 3.09am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Targets are set for Civil Servants, the same as the private sector. Some Civil Servants may have a “cushy” life but many others work extremely hard under difficult circumstances with not much reward. I can assure the working conditions at the passport office are poor, having said that no excuse for poor customer service.
Before I retired working at 6am on Christmas Day and sometimes having a run of 7-8 shifts without a break, didn’t seem very cushy

Edited by Spiderman (15 May 2022 6.55am)

Were you in the passport office?

What happens if the targets are not met?

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 16 May 22 3.11am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

A puzzle indeed HK. a puzzle indeed!

ND says it was because she is dyslexic which effectively kills the criticism

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 16 May 22 8.06am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Were you in the passport office?

What happens if the targets are not met?

Never worked in passport office but had ex-colleagues that did. They tended to get poor performance reviews and some were let go. Unfortunately the targets are set by Senior Managers that have never done the job. This is a problem throughout the CS imo. In BF it is difficult to comply with the target, usually it is amount of contraband seized or certain number of refusals. Of course there is no control over what type of passengers happen to arrive when you are on duty. It can be that you get a poor appraisal, which could end in disciplinary proceedings. Cannot answer for other departments.
Contrary to popular belief CS can and are sacked

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 16 May 22 8.40am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Cheers for that spiderman. I applied for a CS job many years ago, and the exams are tough were mostly statistically-based.
It is with some irony that the very same cherry-picked statistics are used to appraise/discipline staff.

Back to comments on the Government. I am baffled by the wealth of opportunities the Government are giving the opposition to seize and take the initiative. The polls for BJ and his gang should be barely above zero.
However, the lack of any meaningful opposition to exploit any deficiencies has meant the Government still has a (slight) lead.

It seems however pl55-poor the Government are, the opposition can stoop even lower.

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 16 May 22 10.32am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Never worked in passport office but had ex-colleagues that did. They tended to get poor performance reviews and some were let go. Unfortunately the targets are set by Senior Managers that have never done the job. This is a problem throughout the CS imo. In BF it is difficult to comply with the target, usually it is amount of contraband seized or certain number of refusals. Of course there is no control over what type of passengers happen to arrive when you are on duty. It can be that you get a poor appraisal, which could end in disciplinary proceedings. Cannot answer for other departments.
Contrary to popular belief CS can and are sacked

Edited by Spiderman (16 May 2022 8.07am)

Edited by Spiderman (16 May 2022 8.09am)

BF have a difficult job sometimes, that being said I have had a couple of very bad experiences at Heathrow immigration.Like many things, depends on your luck.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 16 May 22 10.39am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Cheers for that spiderman. I applied for a CS job many years ago, and the exams are tough were mostly statistically-based.
It is with some irony that the very same cherry-picked statistics are used to appraise/discipline staff.

Back to comments on the Government. I am baffled by the wealth of opportunities the Government are giving the opposition to seize and take the initiative. The polls for BJ and his gang should be barely above zero.
However, the lack of any meaningful opposition to exploit any deficiencies has meant the Government still has a (slight) lead.

It seems however pl55-poor the Government are, the opposition can stoop even lower.

The political environment is curated, protected and restricted.

You get a choice between sh1te A and sh1te B.

Little more than UK versions of the US parties.

The intellectual quality of politicians have been falling for decades as political tribal loyalty is more important than merit or ideas.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2022 10.48am)

 


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silvertop Flag Portishead 16 May 22 10.43am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Rare skills, good one LMFAO

Will you stop preaching the gospel according to the daily express. Can you not see that the right continually attacks the public sector in order to soften the blow of cuts. People who lose real jobs may well get another job in the private sector; but they are still real people with food to buy and bills to pay.

The public sector gets some lazy jobs-worths sure. However, that is largely an out-of-date stereotype. I know some who are proper wage slaves doing the long hours with all; the accompanying high stress. they cold get paid a lot more in the private sector for the same work and the same cr@p.

And this thing about the civil service being just boring pen -pushers is another one for the Ealing Comedy. E.g. there are a great deal of folk who have worked in the private sector and are importing their skills into the public sector for the fixed, certain hours and good pension so they can enjoy a better work-life balance. This is a big step as it generally involves a colossal pay cut. that doesn't mean they are fat ripe for cutting.

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 16 May 22 11.29am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

BF have a difficult job sometimes, that being said I have had a couple of very bad experiences at Heathrow immigration.Like many things, depends on your luck.

I am not saying BF is perfect, indeed far from it. I have on many occasions been embarrassed by the attitude of some on Immigration control. No excuses whatsoever. What I would say is that some of the verbal abuse given to BF staff is outrageous and unwarranted

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 16 May 22 11.33am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The political environment is curated, protected and restricted.

You get a choice between sh1te A and sh1te B.

Little more than UK versions of the US parties.

The intellectual quality of politicians have been falling for decades as political tribal loyalty is more important than merit or ideas.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2022 10.48am)

Yes indeed. It was also because there was a time when an MP will have had to have proven themselves in the real world, generally commerce and industry for the Tories and unions and 'ard graft for Labour. Now it seems to be a career choice and direct entry from Uni. It means the party has time to properly groom them to address difficult questions and present clever, memorable one-liners for the Twitter generation while citing Classics to prove their superior credentials. Meanwhile, they cant find their own curry-hole with both hands.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 May 22 12.24pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Will you stop preaching the gospel according to the daily express. Can you not see that the right continually attacks the public sector in order to soften the blow of cuts. People who lose real jobs may well get another job in the private sector; but they are still real people with food to buy and bills to pay.

The public sector gets some lazy jobs-worths sure. However, that is largely an out-of-date stereotype. I know some who are proper wage slaves doing the long hours with all; the accompanying high stress. they cold get paid a lot more in the private sector for the same work and the same cr@p.

And this thing about the civil service being just boring pen -pushers is another one for the Ealing Comedy. E.g. there are a great deal of folk who have worked in the private sector and are importing their skills into the public sector for the fixed, certain hours and good pension so they can enjoy a better work-life balance. This is a big step as it generally involves a colossal pay cut. that doesn't mean they are fat ripe for cutting.

From my experience the CS is far outweighed by those working ridiculously hard for a salary lower than they would receive privately then the stereotyped slackers.

The CS offers lower pay and reward systems than the Private Sector however does offer fantastic opportunity for career progression and employee experience which is where the balance is struck.

To stereotype Civil Servants is laughable given there's about half a million of them. It is equally laughable to suggest one sector or industry is more prone to laziness, idiocy or other negative attributes than others. The amount of private sector firms I have been involved or met with who have this new breed of employee: Young, very well dressed/groomed, up to their eyeballs in corporate lingo but... but, thick as 5#!T, I mean really fudging stupid, embarrassingly so, is unreal.

Any area of the working world you are going to get the star worker bees and the class dunces, lazy or downright stupid bods.

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 16 May 22 2.27pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Will you stop preaching the gospel according to the daily express. Can you not see that the right continually attacks the public sector in order to soften the blow of cuts. People who lose real jobs may well get another job in the private sector; but they are still real people with food to buy and bills to pay.

The public sector gets some lazy jobs-worths sure. However, that is largely an out-of-date stereotype. I know some who are proper wage slaves doing the long hours with all; the accompanying high stress. they cold get paid a lot more in the private sector for the same work and the same cr@p.

And this thing about the civil service being just boring pen -pushers is another one for the Ealing Comedy. E.g. there are a great deal of folk who have worked in the private sector and are importing their skills into the public sector for the fixed, certain hours and good pension so they can enjoy a better work-life balance. This is a big step as it generally involves a colossal pay cut. that doesn't mean they are fat ripe for cutting.

1. I have never read the Daily Express
2. This is a free speech area so don't tell people what to write.
3. You clearly have no idea about Ealing comedies which often contained social commentary.

"I know some who are proper wage slaves doing the long hours with all; the accompanying high stress. they cold get paid a lot more in the private sector for the same work and the same cr@p."

Then these people are stupid, I hope they're not in positions of responsibility.Are you one of them? You seem to have the air of someone who is embittered and jealous and possibly been passed over

Edited by HKOwen (16 May 2022 2.28pm)

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Edited by HKOwen (16 May 2022 2.36pm)

 


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