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Eaglecoops CR3 23 Apr 19 10.40pm
Originally posted by Den1923 The bad home record has been with us for several seasons now and not just under Roy. The problem we have is we just cannot score for some reason when playing at home. This is in part due to the fact we have not had a decent striker goal poacher and that has been the situation for sometime now and then the tactics do also play apart, away we defend and use breakaways to score which has worked well, whereas at home teams are defending and yes we are not good at playing that style of attacking football probably because we lack decent strikers (we have had plenty of opportunities to score when playing at home we just do not seem to be able to take them!). I think the squad quality is the problem, yes we have a few decent players but the rest are out of their depth is this league and therefore when key players are injured we always seem to struggle! Den, surely away form is down to exactly the same squad and if we can only counter attack then why don’t we do this at home as well? If teams want to sit back and defend against us and we can’t break them down, then all things considered we should have picked up a lot of bore draws, however we didn’t, we lost way too many games at home playing pretty awful stuff in a large percentage of those games.
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CR3 23 Apr 19 10.40pm

Originally posted by Den1923

The bad home record has been with us for several seasons now and not just under Roy. The problem we have is we just cannot score for some reason when playing at home. This is in part due to the fact we have not had a decent striker goal poacher and that has been the situation for sometime now and then the tactics do also play apart, away we defend and use breakaways to score which has worked well, whereas at home teams are defending and yes we are not good at playing that style of attacking football probably because we lack decent strikers (we have had plenty of opportunities to score when playing at home we just do not seem to be able to take them!). I think the squad quality is the problem, yes we have a few decent players but the rest are out of their depth is this league and therefore when key players are injured we always seem to struggle!

Den, surely away form is down to exactly the same squad and if we can only counter attack then why don’t we do this at home as well? If teams want to sit back and defend against us and we can’t break them down, then all things considered we should have picked up a lot of bore draws, however we didn’t, we lost way too many games at home playing pretty awful stuff in a large percentage of those games.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Apr 19 10.43pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Den, surely away form is down to exactly the same squad and if we can only counter attack then why don’t we do this at home as well? If teams want to sit back and defend against us and we can’t break them down, then all things considered we should have picked up a lot of bore draws, however we didn’t, we lost way too many games at home playing pretty awful stuff in a large percentage of those games. I’ve often thought that but have you seen how edgy we get when the opposition find they can attack us at home? 2 good chances in the first 10 or 15 minutes and the nerves spread and the opposition sense they can go for the jugular. And you can’t or shouldn’t rely on away form, especially beating top 6 sides. Edited by Rudi Hedman (23 Apr 2019 10.45pm) COYP
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Caterham 23 Apr 19 10.43pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I’ve often thought that but have you seen how edgy we get when the opposition find they can attack us at home? 2 good chances in the first 10 or 15 minutes and the nerves spread and the opposition sense they can go for the jugular.

And you can’t or shouldn’t rely on away form, especially beating top 6 sides.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (23 Apr 2019 10.45pm)

COYP

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dynamicdick Dormansland 23 Apr 19 10.52pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I’ve often thought that but have you seen how edgy we get when the opposition find they can attack us at home? 2 good chances in the first 10 or 15 minutes and the nerves spread and the opposition sense they can go for the jugular. And you can’t or shouldn’t rely on away form, especially beating top 6 sides. Edited by Rudi Hedman (23 Apr 2019 10.45pm) Which is why we need the right tactical set up st home that has been missing. Bring back Brolin
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Dormansland 23 Apr 19 10.52pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

And you can’t or shouldn’t rely on away form, especially beating top 6 sides.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (23 Apr 2019 10.45pm)

Which is why we need the right tactical set up st home that has been missing.

Bring back Brolin

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MKCPFC Spain/MK 24 Apr 19 1.08am
Originally posted by dynamicdick Which is why we need the right tactical set up st home that has been missing. So what do you think we should do? We have the same players home and away but the opposition play the same tactics against us as we do when we play at home. This is compliment to us as they view us as a dangerous team and don't want to go gung ho against us. Now seeing how hard it has been for City, Arsenal and Liverpool have found it to beat us at their place with all their resources I think being safe with really with six games to play technically and now safe with three games to go and a chance of being 12th I think we are doing Ok. It's unfortunate the results at home have been disappointing but we are still in the Premier and doing very well.
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Spain/MK 24 Apr 19 1.08am

Originally posted by dynamicdick

Which is why we need the right tactical set up st home that has been missing.

So what do you think we should do?
We have the same players home and away but the opposition play the same tactics against us as we do when we play at home.
This is compliment to us as they view us as a dangerous team and don't want to go gung ho against us.
Now seeing how hard it has been for City, Arsenal and Liverpool have found it to beat us at their place with all their resources I think being safe with really with six games to play technically and now safe with three games to go and a chance of being 12th I think we are doing Ok.
It's unfortunate the results at home have been disappointing but we are still in the Premier and doing very well.

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MKCPFC Spain/MK 24 Apr 19 1.10am
Originally posted by MKCPFC So what do you think we should do? We have the same players home and away but the opposition play the same tactics against us as we do when we play at home. This is compliment to us as they view us as a dangerous team and don't want to go gung ho against us. Now seeing how hard it has been for City, Arsenal and Liverpool have found it to beat us at their place with all their resources I think being safe with really with six games to play technically and now safe with three games to go and a chance of being 12th I think we are doing Ok. It's unfortunate the results at home have been disappointing but we are still in the Premier and doing very well. I obviously meant as when we play away
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Spain/MK 24 Apr 19 1.10am

Originally posted by MKCPFC

I obviously meant as when we play away

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Eaglecoops CR3 24 Apr 19 9.17am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I’ve often thought that but have you seen how edgy we get when the opposition find they can attack us at home? 2 good chances in the first 10 or 15 minutes and the nerves spread and the opposition sense they can go for the jugular. And you can’t or shouldn’t rely on away form, especially beating top 6 sides. Edited by Rudi Hedman (23 Apr 2019 10.45pm) Yes I agree Rudi, it could be the fan pressure to perform and the psychology that you should be winning at home that causes this. There is a long held belief that you should win at home and from that comes the pressure to feel you have to constantly take the game to the opposition. That, unfortunately does not play to our strengths and that is something that Roy has to work on pre-season if he is staying because I’m not sure I can stand another home season watching us meekly give up points like we did this year.
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CR3 24 Apr 19 9.17am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

And you can’t or shouldn’t rely on away form, especially beating top 6 sides.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (23 Apr 2019 10.45pm)

Yes I agree Rudi, it could be the fan pressure to perform and the psychology that you should be winning at home that causes this. There is a long held belief that you should win at home and from that comes the pressure to feel you have to constantly take the game to the opposition. That, unfortunately does not play to our strengths and that is something that Roy has to work on pre-season if he is staying because I’m not sure I can stand another home season watching us meekly give up points like we did this year.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 24 Apr 19 9.28am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Den, surely away form is down to exactly the same squad and if we can only counter attack then why don’t we do this at home as well? If teams want to sit back and defend against us and we can’t break them down, then all things considered we should have picked up a lot of bore draws, however we didn’t, we lost way too many games at home playing pretty awful stuff in a large percentage of those games. Encouraging teams to attack us is not a clever idea when our attack line is as poor as it is (hopefully Benteke will have gained some confidence with his goal) because putting away opportunities has been our only downfall at home, we should have won about three more with confident attackers and drawn about the same, this would make our home form reasonable wouldn't it considering the team we actually have, everyone is wondering why our home form is so bad when all it has been is failing to put away the odd goal here and there when we should have instead of stupidly missing, our home form has and never will be pulling up trees in this league obvious really. We very very rarely get soundly beaten at home.
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Cornwall 24 Apr 19 9.28am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Encouraging teams to attack us is not a clever idea when our attack line is as poor as it is (hopefully Benteke will have gained some confidence with his goal) because putting away opportunities has been our only downfall at home, we should have won about three more with confident attackers and drawn about the same, this would make our home form reasonable wouldn't it considering the team we actually have, everyone is wondering why our home form is so bad when all it has been is failing to put away the odd goal here and there when we should have instead of stupidly missing, our home form has and never will be pulling up trees in this league obvious really.
We very very rarely get soundly beaten at home.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 24 Apr 19 9.43am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I’ve often thought that but have you seen how edgy we get when the opposition find they can attack us at home? 2 good chances in the first 10 or 15 minutes and the nerves spread and the opposition sense they can go for the jugular. And you can’t or shouldn’t rely on away form, especially beating top 6 sides. Edited by Rudi Hedman (23 Apr 2019 10.45pm) When we attack teams away from home their fans are feeling exactly the same lol, football is all about attacking because teams are all at their weakest when doing it (apart from the top six of course) we struggle because of sloppy passing and finishing nothing more nothing less. We have always caused the bigger teams more problems then the small, probably more to do with them then us.
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Cornwall 24 Apr 19 9.43am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I’ve often thought that but have you seen how edgy we get when the opposition find they can attack us at home? 2 good chances in the first 10 or 15 minutes and the nerves spread and the opposition sense they can go for the jugular.

And you can’t or shouldn’t rely on away form, especially beating top 6 sides.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (23 Apr 2019 10.45pm)

When we attack teams away from home their fans are feeling exactly the same lol, football is all about attacking because teams are all at their weakest when doing it (apart from the top six of course) we struggle because of sloppy passing and finishing nothing more nothing less.
We have always caused the bigger teams more problems then the small, probably more to do with them then us.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 24 Apr 19 10.23am
Originally posted by Maine Eagle Perhaps I should have explained better what I meant. Firstly I meant that Holloway should have been relieved of his duties sooner. Secondly it did indeed look like a "mutual agreement" as you say, and it takes 2 to tango. However with the run we were on it should have been "you are fired, mate" a fair bit sooner. Ergo Parish should have acted more decisively, as per the Pardew case, where he was about 6 months late. Therefore I stand by my claim that if things go tits up next year, Parish wont sack off RH until its too late. Lets hope that is academic though eh. Let's hope ! I think Parish struggled with the concept of sacking Pardew as he liked him very much as a person. And if that was the case then it might well be history repeating itself with Hodgson. But...we all learn by our mistakes and Steve knows he left it too long with Pardew. Old, Ungifted and White
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Shoreham-by-Sea 24 Apr 19 10.23am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Perhaps I should have explained better what I meant.

Firstly I meant that Holloway should have been relieved of his duties sooner.

Secondly it did indeed look like a "mutual agreement" as you say, and it takes 2 to tango. However with the run we were on it should have been "you are fired, mate" a fair bit sooner. Ergo Parish should have acted more decisively, as per the Pardew case, where he was about 6 months late.

Therefore I stand by my claim that if things go tits up next year, Parish wont sack off RH until its too late.

Lets hope that is academic though eh.

Let's hope !

I think Parish struggled with the concept of sacking Pardew as he liked him very much as a person. And if that was the case then it might well be history repeating itself with Hodgson.

But...we all learn by our mistakes and Steve knows he left it too long with Pardew.

Old, Ungifted and White

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Eaglecoops CR3 24 Apr 19 10.30am
Originally posted by Tickled pink Encouraging teams to attack us is not a clever idea when our attack line is as poor as it is (hopefully Benteke will have gained some confidence with his goal) because putting away opportunities has been our only downfall at home, we should have won about three more with confident attackers and drawn about the same, this would make our home form reasonable wouldn't it considering the team we actually have, everyone is wondering why our home form is so bad when all it has been is failing to put away the odd goal here and there when we should have instead of stupidly missing, our home form has and never will be pulling up trees in this league obvious really. We very very rarely get soundly beaten at home. I agree we have sometimes played well at home without getting anything out of the game, but it is the same players who play in the away matches. Are you suggesting that our strike force is unlucky at home and lucky away? To me it is not the forward line, it is the all round performance that has got fans our fans bemoaning a successful strategy at home. We only have a go at the so called weaker teams in the league and when we do we expose ourselves to the counter attack, Brighton at home being the perfect example. Against the better teams we tend to curl up into our shell and try to get a draw and the way we have been doing it has been not pretty to watch. If you think the opposition are so good you are going to get nothing out of the game, (which is how I think we approached the game against Chelsea), then you might as well go out and play no fear football because for all the ability these so called better teams have they still shake when you put them under the cosh. I would rather see us lose 4-3 against these teams than 2-0 with a turgid performance and you never know, once in a while you might get the result you are looking for. I would temper this by saying I am not an advocate of throwing caution to the wind however having a go for the last 10 minutes when you are already 2 down is not my idea of an entertaining strategy.
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CR3 24 Apr 19 10.30am

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Encouraging teams to attack us is not a clever idea when our attack line is as poor as it is (hopefully Benteke will have gained some confidence with his goal) because putting away opportunities has been our only downfall at home, we should have won about three more with confident attackers and drawn about the same, this would make our home form reasonable wouldn't it considering the team we actually have, everyone is wondering why our home form is so bad when all it has been is failing to put away the odd goal here and there when we should have instead of stupidly missing, our home form has and never will be pulling up trees in this league obvious really.
We very very rarely get soundly beaten at home.

I agree we have sometimes played well at home without getting anything out of the game, but it is the same players who play in the away matches. Are you suggesting that our strike force is unlucky at home and lucky away? To me it is not the forward line, it is the all round performance that has got fans our fans bemoaning a successful strategy at home. We only have a go at the so called weaker teams in the league and when we do we expose ourselves to the counter attack, Brighton at home being the perfect example. Against the better teams we tend to curl up into our shell and try to get a draw and the way we have been doing it has been not pretty to watch.

If you think the opposition are so good you are going to get nothing out of the game, (which is how I think we approached the game against Chelsea), then you might as well go out and play no fear football because for all the ability these so called better teams have they still shake when you put them under the cosh. I would rather see us lose 4-3 against these teams than 2-0 with a turgid performance and you never know, once in a while you might get the result you are looking for. I would temper this by saying I am not an advocate of throwing caution to the wind however having a go for the last 10 minutes when you are already 2 down is not my idea of an entertaining strategy.

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EddieMac 24 Apr 19 10.53am
We are 12th in the table and got to QF of FA cup. With our current team that is about our level so there can not be many complaints. Factor in all the injuries we have had this season and the lack of striker for most of the season. Yes our home form hasn't been great but our away form has balanced this out. We are blessed to have Roy in charge of us and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. Folk on here saying we play negative defensive football. No we do not. For a lot of this season we have played the best football we have seen played for a long time. Burnley, Brighton, Newcastle actually do play negative defensive football, yet there are a lot of people on here who have said Dyche, Hughton and Benitez are managers they would like. (contradicting yourselves) Some people really need to learn a little bit about football instead of just criticising Roy Hodgson.
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24 Apr 19 10.53am

We are 12th in the table and got to QF of FA cup. With our current team that is about our level so there can not be many complaints.

Factor in all the injuries we have had this season and the lack of striker for most of the season.

Yes our home form hasn't been great but our away form has balanced this out. We are blessed to have Roy in charge of us and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

Folk on here saying we play negative defensive football. No we do not. For a lot of this season we have played the best football we have seen played for a long time.

Burnley, Brighton, Newcastle actually do play negative defensive football, yet there are a lot of people on here who have said Dyche, Hughton and Benitez are managers they would like. (contradicting yourselves)

Some people really need to learn a little bit about football instead of just criticising Roy Hodgson.

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CYPRUS GLAZIER paphos cyprus 24 Apr 19 11.20am
Totally agree Eddie Roy has a wealth of experience and knows how to bring out the best in the players he has got
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Totally agree Eddie Roy has a wealth of experience and knows how to bring out the best in the players he has got

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