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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 21 Dec 17 6.09pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Here's a better tax calculator, as it puts the old law and new law side by side. [Link]

Using this calculator, my taxes are reduced by 1,022 in 2018 as the temporarily reduced personal tax rates outweigh the hit I take from not being able to offset all of my property tax bill. This saving will erode over time as the brackets fail to keep up with inflation and - unlike the corporate tax rate cut - these personal rate reductions sunset over time.

Meanwhile, if my health insurance goes up by 10% each year as a result of the Obamacare tweaks, that will cost me 0 extra next year, ,050 extra the following year...and there goes my tax saving. 1,655 additional health insurance premium in the third year and I'm starting to fall into the red overall, from where it will not return. So, by year three, I will be losing money under this bill and my losses will only accelerate over time.

This bill is a craven giveaway to the Republican doner class. Individual tax savings are geared such that almost everyone gets something in 2018 - an election year - but any benefits start to disappear rapidly after that until the majority of Americans are paying more taxes while only the top 1% and corporations get any sustained, meaningful savings (and boy are they meaningful).


I'm pleased that some US citizens can see the tax bill for what it is.

The tax cut for US Virgin Island hedge fund managers of $600k odd a year is my personal favourite part.

 

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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 21 Dec 17 6.48pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle


I'm pleased that some US citizens can see the tax bill for what it is.

The tax cut for US Virgin Island hedge fund managers of 0k odd a year is my personal favourite part.

Yeah, the one that fits your anti-Republican agenda.

Well obviously the more you earn, the more you save – that's how percentages work! The high earners also pay the most tax overall. In 2014, people earning above $250,000 paid 51.6% of all individual income taxes, even though they accounted for only 2.7% of tax payers.

Edited by Penge Eagle (21 Dec 2017 6.49pm)

 

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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 21 Dec 17 7.48pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Yeah, the one that fits your anti-Republican agenda.

Well obviously the more you earn, the more you save – that's how percentages work! The high earners also pay the most tax overall. In 2014, people earning above 0,000 paid 51.6% of all individual income taxes, even though they accounted for only 2.7% of tax payers.


This conveniently ignores the fact that 60% of Americans will have their taxes raised by this bill. That's basically 200 million people. And it explodes the deficit. And it is not expected to boost the economy by an amount anywhere near what's needed to close the deficit. And it will increase health insurance premiums by an additional 10% each year (over the expected rise) wiping out tax savings in many cases. And it will throw 13 million people off health insurance as there will be a massive cut to Medicaid as the PayGo provisions trigger automatic spending reductions.

But Gary Cohn says that you can buy a new car or remodel your kitchen for a thousand bucks, so go ahead and do that and let me know how you get on. [Link]

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 21 Dec 17 7.54pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I'm pleased that some US citizens can see the tax bill for what it is.

The tax cut for US Virgin Island hedge fund managers of 0k odd a year is my personal favourite part.


Taxing Puerto Rico as a foreign country is another classic. Someone forgot to tell Trump that those Sea Mexicans are actually U.S. citizens. Imposing a 12.5% import tax on goods from Puerto Rico - when 35% of the island remains without electricity and some areas aren't going to get any power until next May at the earliest - seems somewhat vindictive and unnecessary.

What's really interesting is that the Governor of PR has vowed to mobilise the "diaspora" of Puerto Ricans on the mainland against any politician who voted for this bill. He reckons he has enough votes to swing districts in 14 states, notably in Florida where displaced Puerto Ricans are settling in large numbers right now. All they need to do is register to vote a their new home address. Trump won Florida by 112,911 votes...

Edited by Ray in Houston (21 Dec 2017 8.07pm)

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Stirlingsays Flag 23 Dec 17 7.14am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by wordup

In addition to the examples I gave, just today in fact the Trump administration banned Centers for Disease Control from using the terms “entitlement,” “diversity,” “transgender”, “fetus” "evidence-based” and “science-based” [Link] These are now forbidden words on official documents. I mean this stuff is an attempt to diminish people and even science and really no different or less political than anything from the left like certain words being off limits as 'hate speech'. One group may well cheer the former action and one the latter, but no-one wins as they just meld together to restrict the population as a whole and put all of the power in the hands of those in government.

I've looked into this since.

It's fake news. The director of the CDC came out and stated that it was inaccurate and there are no banned words.

The Washington Post made this inaccurate story and all the left news organizations just reported it like that....because that's what happens in news...they piggy back on what they perceive is a 'trusted' news source and echo the story.....people assume it's from them and falsehoods are spread.

Tim Pool covers this news story here starting at 3:10.
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Fake news comes at us from all directions.....less so from some outlets but it will still happen. The only solution is an imperfect one and is to read widely and take a 'wait and see' attitude to totally trusting something.

 


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wordup Flag 23 Dec 17 2.40pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've looked into this since.

It's fake news. The director of the CDC came out and stated that it was inaccurate and there are no banned words.

The Washington Post made this inaccurate story and all the left news organizations just reported it like that....because that's what happens in news...they piggy back on what they perceive is a 'trusted' news source and echo the story.....people assume it's from them and falsehoods are spread.

Tim Pool covers this news story here starting at 3:10.
[Link]

Fake news comes at us from all directions.....less so from some outlets but it will still happen. The only solution is an imperfect one and is to read widely and take a 'wait and see' attitude to totally trusting something.

This CDC statement is partly damage limitation I'd say. Once this leaked, there is going to be a denial of sorts or as close as is possible. The original article suggested they "should avoid using certain words or phrases in official documents being drafted for next year’s budget".
This is the official rebuttal:

Quote I want to assure you there are no banned words at CDC. We will continue to talk about all our important public health programs.

You may be understandably concerned about recent media reports alleging that CDC is banned from using certain words in budget documents. I want to assure you that CDC remains committed to our public health mission as a science- and evidence-based institution.

As part of our commitment to provide for the common defense of the country against health threats, science is and will remain the foundation of our work.

CDC has a long-standing history of making public health and budget decisions that are based on the best available science and data and for the benefit of all people—and we will continue to do so.

Below is the full HHS statement addressing the media reports.

"The assertion that HHS has 'banned words' is a complete mischaracterization of discussions regarding the budget formulation process. HHS will continue to use the best scientific evidence available to improve the health of all Americans. HHS also strongly encourages the use of outcome and evidence data in program evaluations and budget decisions.”


The CDC said there are no banned words at the CDC. That isn't what the allegations even were though as it related to words being off limits from being used in the budget. Therefore, this is likely intentionally, a denial of something that wasn't even claimed to begin with.

This goes on to say that the CDC is committed to science. In a carefully worded manner it goes out of its way not to deny that certain words are avoided. Nothing here denies that certain words were suggested to be avoided in the budget and for good reason, since that did happen. It denies something that wasn't in the original piece and leaves this well alone. But yes, the 'banned' angle that caught on on other sites, may have been a misrepresentation, it depends how much pressure is or was applied.

I appreciate that the original article may have been turned into a headline elsewhere which in affect didn't accurately represent the situation. You're right to say that it's easy to get taken in by the headline rather than the reality. It appears that instead the agency may be fearful of using certain words preempting consequences of doing so. The CDC should be free to use any language that accurately reflects their findings without fear of consequence.

For months, climate change reference have been cleansed from government websites in the Environmental Protection Agency and the Interior Department department. Other similar pushes regarding language have happened too and so this is not new.

Much in the same way, the 'guidance' document, obtained by the washington post, did indeed list specific words as ones to avoid when drafting the budget document including “vulnerable,” “diversity” and “entitlement”.

"HHS spokesman Matt Lloyd confirmed that agency officials created the document but said they did not ban any words outright. The document was distributed to budget offices in the department’s operating divisions, including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Institutes of Health and the Food and Drug Administration, an HHS official said.

At a budget meeting last week at the CDC in Atlanta, employees were also told to avoid four additional words and phrases: “fetus,” “transgender,” “evidence-based” and “science-based.” The origin and intention of that verbal direction remains murky.

In an email, Lloyd said that “HHS and its agencies have not banned, prohibited or forbidden employees from using certain words.” Instead, Lloyd said, employees have “misconstrued guidelines provided during routine discussions on the annual budget process. It was clearly stated to those involved in the discussions that the science should always drive the narrative.”

But an official at another HHS agency who was briefed last week on use of “vulnerable,” “diversity” and “entitlement” said the message was clear.

“It was interpreted as ‘you are not to use these words in the budget narrative,’ ” said the official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal agency communications.


They are treading carefully in how they address this story, because they either fear using certain words or have outright been told not to, but yes sites cutting out the fine detail have not given the full picture and have simplified something to a point that doesn't reflect the full picture - just as Tim Pool cuts out a decent chunk of the obvious nuance that exists regarding the usage of these words. Where there is an audience there is an angle.

Edited by wordup (23 Dec 2017 5.53pm)

 

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black eagle. Flag south croydon. 23 Dec 17 4.42pm Send a Private Message to black eagle. Add black eagle. as a friend

I hate Trump.racist buffon.

 

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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 23 Dec 17 5.04pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by black eagle.

I hate Trump.racist buffon.

Thanks for your contribution.

 

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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 28 Dec 17 10.55am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Yeah, the one that fits your anti-Republican agenda.

Well obviously the more you earn, the more you save – that's how percentages work! The high earners also pay the most tax overall. In 2014, people earning above 0,000 paid 51.6% of all individual income taxes, even though they accounted for only 2.7% of tax payers.

Edited by Penge Eagle (21 Dec 2017 6.49pm)

That stat only goes to highlight the terrible inequality in the US. It's shocking how unequal the income distribution has become in the States, completely disconnected from the actual contributions and productivity of the individuals within that distribution.

 

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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 28 Dec 17 11.03am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

[Link]

This article shows that the narrow classical economic model favored by tax cut proponents demonstrates that the recently well publicised pay bumps announced in the wake of this policy are nothing more than political messaging and not due to the impact of the economics. The reality is only a small gain by companies will end up in the pockets of employees who will lose their meagre tax cuts in a couple of years and end up worse off in the long run. It's Political junk as it's very unpopular but republicans will lie and use their favourite cards of race, guns and religion to try and divert the attention of the electorate come the midterms next year.

One interesting point to note is that about one third of the benefit will go to foreign shareholders so Trump is actually giving more away to foreigners than to the vast majority of US citizens.

He's a liar and a hypocrite.

 

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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 28 Dec 17 2.22pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

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This article shows that the narrow classical economic model favored by tax cut proponents demonstrates that the recently well publicised pay bumps announced in the wake of this policy are nothing more than political messaging and not due to the impact of the economics. The reality is only a small gain by companies will end up in the pockets of employees who will lose their meagre tax cuts in a couple of years and end up worse off in the long run. It's Political junk as it's very unpopular but republicans will lie and use their favourite cards of race, guns and religion to try and divert the attention of the electorate come the midterms next year.

One interesting point to note is that about one third of the benefit will go to foreign shareholders so Trump is actually giving more away to foreigners than to the vast majority of US citizens.

He's a liar and a hypocrite.

You're a socialist, so you'll never believe in tax cuts – especially for corporations!

The fact of the matter is the US economy under Trump is booming DESPITE what all the 'experts' said.

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 28 Dec 17 2.35pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

You're a socialist, so you'll never believe in tax cuts – especially for corporations!

The fact of the matter is the US economy under Trump is booming DESPITE what all the 'experts' said.

You're over-exaggerating his role. The downward trend in joblessness started in 2010 and the growth forecasts that have been fulfilled were projected before he became President.

 


Big chest and massive boobs

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