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Kermit8 Hevon 13 May 16 12.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
No, they voted 2:1 to leave the EEC. The EEC and the EU are two very different animals. A bit like Fleetwood Mac '69 and '79
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 13 May 16 12.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
A bit like Fleetwood Mac '69 and '79 Mega lolz, Kermie. Mega lolz.
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johnfirewall 13 May 16 1.32pm | |
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"The Employment Secretary, Michael Foot, disagreed. He blamed this week's high unemployment figures on what he said was the damage to Britain's domestic market from European imports." What changed, was the influx of people? Be honest you're not allowed to have on opposition to human beings are you, unless they're Tories and/ or wealthy. Edited by johnfirewall (13 May 2016 1.32pm)
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davenotamonkey 13 May 16 3.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
We can't ignore EU legislation but we can certainly challenge it. Any doubts about the EU's legitimacy for making a particular piece of legislation because it does not meet a Treaty objective then national courts can suspend the domestic measures which implement it and an amendment will be made by a respective Act of Parliament. "We can't ignore it, but we can challenge it". Haha. OK. There are no HOC votes for EU regulations. They are binding legislative acts that are immediately enforceable by law. End of. The best you can do (on, for example, the argument of subsidiarity) is raise a (ahem) "yellow card" to the commission, to tell them you don't like what they themselves have concocted. The procedure from there? They say. "Ok, thanks". Ignore you, and do it anyway: Before the "wibble wibble Cameron Red card!!! wibble". A red card is worse than useless:
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Kermit8 Hevon 13 May 16 8.01pm | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
"We can't ignore it, but we can challenge it". Haha. OK. There are no HOC votes for EU regulations. They are binding legislative acts that are immediately enforceable by law. End of. The best you can do (on, for example, the argument of subsidiarity) is raise a (ahem) "yellow card" to the commission, to tell them you don't like what they themselves have concocted. The procedure from there? They say. "Ok, thanks". Ignore you, and do it anyway: Before the "wibble wibble Cameron Red card!!! wibble". A red card is worse than useless: A rubbish on the ropes reply. Sorry. Must try harder.
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davenotamonkey 13 May 16 8.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
A rubbish on the ropes reply. Sorry. Must try harder. I'm under no directive to "try harder". Like I said - myopic misinformed idiots like you are far too entrenched to see any reason, logic or fact. I just hope some of the undecideds on here see the exchanges and learn something of what lies beneath the surface of the glossy "BSE" campaign, with their financial backing from 4 huge US banks (Goldman Sachs included) and associated EU-funded cronies. (You'll attached find the answer as to why Corbyn has done a massive EU-turn after 40-years the sceptic) Attachment: eu.png (24.19Kb)
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 13 May 16 8.57pm | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
I'm under no directive to "try harder". Like I said - myopic misinformed idiots like you are far too entrenched to see any reason, logic or fact. I just hope some of the undecideds on here see the exchanges and learn something of what lies beneath the surface of the glossy "BSE" campaign, with their financial backing from 4 huge US banks (Goldman Sachs included) and associated EU-funded cronies. (You'll attached find the answer as to why Corbyn has done a massive EU-turn after 40-years the sceptic) Source?
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Kermit8 Hevon 13 May 16 10.09pm | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
I'm under no directive to "try harder". Like I said - myopic misinformed idiots like you are far too entrenched to see any reason, logic or fact. I just hope some of the undecideds on here see the exchanges and learn something of what lies beneath the surface of the glossy "BSE" campaign, with their financial backing from 4 huge US banks (Goldman Sachs included) and associated EU-funded cronies. (You'll attached find the answer as to why Corbyn has done a massive EU-turn after 40-years the sceptic) Constantly saying 'ha-ha' and 'lol' and calling people 'idiots' as well as your penchant for exaggeration is showing your immaturity, egotism, insecurity and that massive chip on your shoulder. You need to be right. You have to be right. What if you are not? Are you grown-up enough to cope? I doubt it. Your posts are very articulate and interesting though even if total grandstanding bollocks some parts of them are.
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Inapickle South West 13 May 16 11.14pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyh
The fact is that the far right are already rising across Europe because of social and economic pressures IMO brought about by the EU's insistence that we all hold hands and live happily ever after, so in effect the EU and it's deluded ministers are the drivers behind the biggest rise in right wing Politics across Europe since a certain Mr A Hitler. The figures kind of speak for themselves but I am sure you can rubbish or marginalise them to suit your own agenda (bit of a trait of yours).The anti-immigration party Alternative for Germany, or AfD, made substantial gains in regional elections,marking a dangerous development in European politics. This is not an isolated incident. Earlier this month, the far-right People’s Party made striking electoral gains in Slovakia, and around Europe far-right parties like Jobbik in Hungary, Golden Dawn in Greece and Marie Le Pen’s Front National in France are gaining in popularity. The NDP also won a seat in the European Parliament. Whilst in the UK UKIP are gaining popularity by the day. People across Europe are becoming disaffected with Brussels and all it entails, and because the popular left and right are so laughably similar anyone, no matter what policies they have, as long as they are different is (dangerously gaining votes). Only a return to self state governed leadership can resolve the issue. Out. Edited by dannyh (13 May 2016 11.42am) ..is this your fear or understanding.
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davenotamonkey 14 May 16 2.20am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Source? Here: Reported here: I checked, as a verification, the OECD value. It came to EUR46.5m. It's higher than the value stated, likely because the table attached included only cases where the recipient was the only recipient. I couldn't be bothered to check, but some years (eg 2011) they were not the unique recipient for EUR6.7m
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davenotamonkey 14 May 16 2.39am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Constantly saying 'ha-ha' and 'lol' and calling people 'idiots' as well as your penchant for exaggeration is showing your immaturity, egotism, insecurity and that massive chip on your shoulder. You need to be right. You have to be right. What if you are not? Are you grown-up enough to cope? I doubt it. Your posts are very articulate and interesting though even if total grandstanding bollocks some parts of them are.
I'll live. I'm sure you will when I call you an idiot.
Listen Kermit. I am happy to discuss the issues with you (and others), merely as a vehicle to provide the positive case for leaving this crumbling customs union. You are welcome to deride it as "grandstanding bollocks", and others may take it on individual merit. I am indeed "grown-up enough to cope", but I tend to prefer to argue from a position of strength borne through knowledge and experience. You want to tussle with me on some matters of EU (in)competence, I plausibly won't have a clue. You want to take issue with the points I raise, then actually identify what makes you a little mouth-frothy and quivery. Put forward your reasoning, and I'll see your point. "Waaah! That figure is wrong" gets tedious when I often provide sources to the assertion.
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Kermit8 Hevon 14 May 16 7.22am | |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
I'll live. I'm sure you will when I call you an idiot.
Listen Kermit. I am happy to discuss the issues with you (and others), merely as a vehicle to provide the positive case for leaving this crumbling customs union. You are welcome to deride it as "grandstanding bollocks", and others may take it on individual merit. I am indeed "grown-up enough to cope", but I tend to prefer to argue from a position of strength borne through knowledge and experience. You want to tussle with me on some matters of EU (in)competence, I plausibly won't have a clue. You want to take issue with the points I raise, then actually identify what makes you a little mouth-frothy and quivery. Put forward your reasoning, and I'll see your point. "Waaah! That figure is wrong" gets tedious when I often provide sources to the assertion. I wasn't calling you "the .....geek" but the person who had slap dashed that excel sheet. The Guido Fawkes link above is spurrious in that its assertion is that the only reason those organisations are pro-remain is because they receive some funding from the EU. The writer does not know that for a fact yet is presenting it as such. Manipulation in short. By him and by you. "....From a position of strength borne through knowledge and experience" you say? The 'knowledge' bit I get: research; but I don't think for one minute you were alive the last time we weren't in the common market/eu so could you explain what your 'experience' refers to. Ta. With regard to my 'reasoning' trawl through any of the UKIP/Farage/EU threads in GT over the last 18 months and you can find plenty as I don't want to repeat myself Any new points raised will be addressed.
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