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Plane Bromley 12 Apr 13 10.54am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 10.51am Obviously you should confirm to the stereotype of socialism presented by the right wing. Which should include a berret, a scruffy goatee whilst shouting loudly about the perils of capitalism, living on benefits, in a squat covered with che guevera posters talking about the Revolution of the Proletariat. Heaven forbid that the left should be as varied as people are.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 10.51am

Obviously you should confirm to the stereotype of socialism presented by the right wing. Which should include a berret, a scruffy goatee whilst shouting loudly about the perils of capitalism, living on benefits, in a squat covered with che guevera posters talking about the Revolution of the Proletariat.

Heaven forbid that the left should be as varied as people are.

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 12 Apr 13 10.55am
Quote Kermit8 at 12 Apr 2013 7.31am Housing crisis? What housing crisis? [Link] Inventive. This kind of thing deserves its own thread, I honestly think we need to get far more creative with creating new homes in this country. Ultimately your home should provide warmth and shelter, everything else is effectively a bonus. Things like container homes, Prefabs, Canal Boats, Static Caravan Homes are all affordable options for everyone not just people on lower incomes. The trouble with these options currently is a lack of Permanent residential mooring/sites for boats/caravans & a the lack of money to made on Prefabs and containers for builders. These are areas I would concentrate on personally, Bricks & Mortar is overrated & overpriced & theres plenty of alternatives if Con/Dem would give it a proper go. Back to what you were originally getting at though, surely with schemes like this available the Housing crisis would quickly become a thing of the past if people werent so snobbish about brick built homes. Edited by Ouzo Dan (12 Apr 2013 10.58am) The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Quote Kermit8 at 12 Apr 2013 7.31am

Housing crisis? What housing crisis?
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Inventive.

This kind of thing deserves its own thread, I honestly think we need to get far more creative with creating new homes in this country.
Ultimately your home should provide warmth and shelter, everything else is effectively a bonus.

Things like container homes, Prefabs, Canal Boats, Static Caravan Homes are all affordable options for everyone not just people on lower incomes.

The trouble with these options currently is a lack of Permanent residential mooring/sites for boats/caravans & a the lack of money to made on Prefabs and containers for builders.
These are areas I would concentrate on personally, Bricks & Mortar is overrated & overpriced & theres plenty of alternatives if Con/Dem would give it a proper go.

Back to what you were originally getting at though, surely with schemes like this available the Housing crisis would quickly become a thing of the past if people werent so snobbish about brick built homes.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (12 Apr 2013 10.58am)

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Kermit8 Hevon 12 Apr 13 11.20am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 10.46am Quote matt_himself at 12 Apr 2013 10.30am Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 10.11am So... what have we actually established so far? 1. Selling off council houses was the most controversial Thatcherite policy 2. the Left are still a bunch of intransigent, head-in-the-sand, dogmatic nutters who should never be allowed near government 3. Teachers' pensions are gold-plated Anything else? Edited by Johnny Eagles (12 Apr 2013 10.14am) 4. Both Nick and Jamie 'talk the talk' but don't 'walk the walk' when it comes to marrying lifestyle to ideals. Don't always walk the walk. I on occassion have sacrificed ethics, I would say that makes me just like anyone else. Its impossible not to, as by working I'll always be supporting a corrupt and capitalist system. Also I'm pragmatic enough to realise that simple answers to complex problems are not enough. I'm not one of those dogmatic left wingers who simply parrot the party line. Actually I'm not very left wing as a rule, left of center, but right down the anti-authoritarian spine of the graph. I don't think you have to explain yourself to those who badger, are bored at work and morally lacking jaime Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2013 11.23am) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 12 Apr 2013 10.46am

Quote matt_himself at 12 Apr 2013 10.30am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 10.11am

So... what have we actually established so far?

1. Selling off council houses was the most controversial Thatcherite policy

2. the Left are still a bunch of intransigent, head-in-the-sand, dogmatic nutters who should never be allowed near government

3. Teachers' pensions are gold-plated

Anything else?

Edited by Johnny Eagles (12 Apr 2013 10.14am)

4. Both Nick and Jamie 'talk the talk' but don't 'walk the walk' when it comes to marrying lifestyle to ideals.

Don't always walk the walk. I on occassion have sacrificed ethics, I would say that makes me just like anyone else. Its impossible not to, as by working I'll always be supporting a corrupt and capitalist system.

Also I'm pragmatic enough to realise that simple answers to complex problems are not enough. I'm not one of those dogmatic left wingers who simply parrot the party line.

Actually I'm not very left wing as a rule, left of center, but right down the anti-authoritarian spine of the graph.

I don't think you have to explain yourself to those who badger, are bored at work and morally lacking jaime

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Johnny Eagles berlin 12 Apr 13 11.29am
Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Apr 2013 10.55am Things like container homes, Prefabs, Canal Boats, Static Caravan Homes are all affordable options for everyone not just people on lower incomes. What about camp sites set up out of town, with rows of huts which people could share. Plus, if they all lived in the same place, it would mean a more efficient distribution of welfare payments. You could have roll call every morning where you could hand out rations, er, I mean benefits and assign workfare tasks in exchange for the shelter provided. ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Apr 2013 10.55am

Things like container homes, Prefabs, Canal Boats, Static Caravan Homes are all affordable options for everyone not just people on lower incomes.

What about camp sites set up out of town, with rows of huts which people could share. Plus, if they all lived in the same place, it would mean a more efficient distribution of welfare payments. You could have roll call every morning where you could hand out rations, er, I mean benefits and assign workfare tasks in exchange for the shelter provided.

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Apr 13 11.31am
Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 11.29am Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Apr 2013 10.55am Things like container homes, Prefabs, Canal Boats, Static Caravan Homes are all affordable options for everyone not just people on lower incomes. What about camp sites set up out of town, with rows of huts which people could share. Plus, if they all lived in the same place, it would mean a more efficient distribution of welfare payments. You could have roll call every morning where you could hand out rations, er, I mean benefits and assign workfare tasks in exchange for the shelter provided. I'm guessing communial showers are a central feature? "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 12 Apr 13 11.31am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 11.29am

Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Apr 2013 10.55am

Things like container homes, Prefabs, Canal Boats, Static Caravan Homes are all affordable options for everyone not just people on lower incomes.

I'm guessing communial showers are a central feature?

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Johnny Eagles berlin 12 Apr 13 11.33am
I am now back in Germany after a week or so in Blighty. The passing of Thatcher was big news over here. She was an icon for many Germans growing up (according to my colleagues). She represented values of the West (not unimportant in Germany in the 80s) like freedom and equality and the market economy. She was an inspiration to many women, being the first woman leader of a major Western nation. Say what you like about the council houses and miners' strike, she put Britain on the map like nobody else could have. ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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berlin 12 Apr 13 11.33am

I am now back in Germany after a week or so in Blighty. The passing of Thatcher was big news over here.

She was an icon for many Germans growing up (according to my colleagues). She represented values of the West (not unimportant in Germany in the 80s) like freedom and equality and the market economy. She was an inspiration to many women, being the first woman leader of a major Western nation.

Say what you like about the council houses and miners' strike, she put Britain on the map like nobody else could have.

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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Kermit8 Hevon 12 Apr 13 11.47am
Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 11.33am I am now back in Germany after a week or so in Blighty. The passing of Thatcher was big news over here. She was an icon for many Germans growing up (according to my colleagues). She represented values of the West (not unimportant in Germany in the 80s) like freedom and equality and the market economy. She was an inspiration to many women, being the first woman leader of a major Western nation. Say what you like about the council houses and miners' strike, she put Britain on the map like nobody else could have. British Empire, the defeat of Hitler, world inventions galore, Oxbridge, the Royal Family, London, golf and football, nuclear weaponry, Brotherhood of Man. We were already a big player on the map. Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2013 11.48am) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 11.33am

I am now back in Germany after a week or so in Blighty. The passing of Thatcher was big news over here.

Say what you like about the council houses and miners' strike, she put Britain on the map like nobody else could have.

British Empire, the defeat of Hitler, world inventions galore, Oxbridge, the Royal Family, London, golf and football, nuclear weaponry, Brotherhood of Man.

We were already a big player on the map.

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Apr 2013 11.48am)

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Plane Bromley 12 Apr 13 11.49am
Quote Kermit8 at 12 Apr 2013 11.47am Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 11.33am I am now back in Germany after a week or so in Blighty. The passing of Thatcher was big news over here. She was an icon for many Germans growing up (according to my colleagues). She represented values of the West (not unimportant in Germany in the 80s) like freedom and equality and the market economy. She was an inspiration to many women, being the first woman leader of a major Western nation. Say what you like about the council houses and miners' strike, she put Britain on the map like nobody else could have. British Empire, the defeat of Hitler, world inventions galore, Oxbridge, the Royal Family, London, golf and football, nuclear weaponry, Brotherhood of Man. We were already on the map. Sorry, I can't let that one pass
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Quote Kermit8 at 12 Apr 2013 11.47am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 11.33am

I am now back in Germany after a week or so in Blighty. The passing of Thatcher was big news over here.

Say what you like about the council houses and miners' strike, she put Britain on the map like nobody else could have.

British Empire, the defeat of Hitler, world inventions galore, Oxbridge, the Royal Family, London, golf and football, nuclear weaponry, Brotherhood of Man.

We were already on the map.

Sorry, I can't let that one pass

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 12 Apr 13 12.10pm
i am curious as to who gets an invite to the funeral. Arthur Scargill Robert Mugabe Colonel Gadaffi Gerry Adams Martin McGuiness PW Botha Ken Livingstone ? anyone i've missed ? Edited by Forest Hillbilly (12 Apr 2013 12.11pm) I disengage, I turn the page.
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i am curious as to who gets an invite to the funeral.

Arthur Scargill
Robert Mugabe
Colonel Gadaffi
Gerry Adams
Martin McGuiness
PW Botha
Ken Livingstone ?

anyone i've missed ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (12 Apr 2013 12.11pm)

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Kermit8 Hevon 12 Apr 13 12.16pm
Quote Forest Hillbilly at 12 Apr 2013 12.10pm i am curious as to who gets an invite to the funeral. Arthur Scargill Robert Mugabe Colonel Gadaffi Gerry Adams Martin McGuiness PW Botha Ken Livingstone ? anyone i've missed ? Edited by Forest Hillbilly (12 Apr 2013 12.11pm) Jeremy Clarkson Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 12 Apr 13 12.16pm

Quote Forest Hillbilly at 12 Apr 2013 12.10pm

i am curious as to who gets an invite to the funeral.

Arthur Scargill
Robert Mugabe
Colonel Gadaffi
Gerry Adams
Martin McGuiness
PW Botha
Ken Livingstone ?

anyone i've missed ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (12 Apr 2013 12.11pm)

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 12 Apr 13 12.39pm
Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 11.29am Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Apr 2013 10.55am Things like container homes, Prefabs, Canal Boats, Static Caravan Homes are all affordable options for everyone not just people on lower incomes. What about camp sites set up out of town, with rows of huts which people could share. Plus, if they all lived in the same place, it would mean a more efficient distribution of welfare payments. You could have roll call every morning where you could hand out rations, er, I mean benefits and assign workfare tasks in exchange for the shelter provided. see offer a final solution to the housing crisis and you pretty much get called Hitler, mein dont you come up with some ideas then? The spanish, greeks, turks, dig out mountains to build homes, its only really this country that w***s over bricks and mortar. Just to humour you though look at these images Prefab [Link] Canal Boat [Link] Container Home [Link] I dont need to post pics of Static caravan homes as im sure you've all seen them. The thing is we have x amount of people needing affordable housing, we have more people coming into the country who will also need affordable housing and we are simply no way near having enough homes to cover the demand, this is a problem that is going to get a whole lot worse. All the types of homes ive listed can be built plumbed, connected to the mains, furnished and habitable within hours to a couple of days for a fraction of the cost & time to built a brick built home. Hardly Auschwitz... Edited by Ouzo Dan (12 Apr 2013 12.41pm) The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 12 Apr 13 12.39pm

Quote Johnny Eagles at 12 Apr 2013 11.29am

Quote Ouzo Dan at 12 Apr 2013 10.55am

Things like container homes, Prefabs, Canal Boats, Static Caravan Homes are all affordable options for everyone not just people on lower incomes.

see offer a final solution to the housing crisis and you pretty much get called Hitler, mein dont you come up with some ideas then?

The spanish, greeks, turks, dig out mountains to build homes, its only really this country that w***s over bricks and mortar.

Just to humour you though look at these images
Prefab
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Canal Boat
[Link]

Container Home
[Link]

I dont need to post pics of Static caravan homes as im sure you've all seen them.

The thing is we have x amount of people needing affordable housing, we have more people coming into the country who will also need affordable housing and we are simply no way near having enough homes to cover the demand, this is a problem that is going to get a whole lot worse.

All the types of homes ive listed can be built plumbed, connected to the mains, furnished and habitable within hours to a couple of days for a fraction of the cost & time to built a brick built home.

Hardly Auschwitz...

Edited by Ouzo Dan (12 Apr 2013 12.41pm)

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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kennybrowns leftfoot Reigate 12 Apr 13 12.54pm
Just had my rest days cancelled for tomorrow and Sunday, both on overtime......... Is it wrong to profit from someones death?? Don't waste your time with jealousy. Sometimes your ahead, sometimes your behind, the race is long. But in the end it's only with yourself!!
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Just had my rest days cancelled for tomorrow and Sunday, both on overtime......... Is it wrong to profit from someones death??

Don't waste your time with jealousy. Sometimes your ahead, sometimes your behind, the race is long. But in the end it's only with yourself!!

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